Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:12 am
Doesn't want it to be punitive, because Brexit is punitive enough. What a boss.
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Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:16 am
twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/847727677423222784
So we've already mucked up at stage 1
They're gonna to really struggle to tie the public rhetoric with actual complex negotiations...
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:33 am
It'd be nice if they had "mucked up". I'm probably jaded but I'm guessing they were hoping for more of a "yeah you need us more than we need you" reaction from the general public.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:17 pm
Acting like assholes basically?
Dumb thing to use as a bargaining chip. I guess they'll just fall back into just using people then.
Dumb thing to use as a bargaining chip. I guess they'll just fall back into just using people then.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:33 pm
Donald Tusk said that Europe don't want to punish the UK because Brexit is punishment enough, just show's the mindset of how he see's it as they begin talks. Basically, you're out of the free trade deal, tough town.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:36 pm
Photek wrote:Donald Tusk said that Europe don't want to punish the UK because Brexit is punishment enough, just show's the mindset of how he see's it as they begin talks. Basically, you're out of the free trade deal, tough town.
But, we gut or soverneighty back! If u dont like it, u can fuk off as well!!!!1!!!!!!!
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:35 pm
Spain could potentially veto a UK trade deal with the EU if it does not get a say over the future of Gibraltar.
Conservative MPs have warned the sovereignty of the UK overseas territory is non-negotiable.
Spain's potential veto was contained in a leaked draft document setting out the European Union's Brexit negotiating strategy.
It said no agreement on the EU's future relationship with the UK would apply to Gibraltar without the consent of Spain.
In response, Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell said there would be "no compromise" and fellow Tory Bob Neill tweeted "no sell out".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39453535
Maybe the waters will be choppier than previously thought.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:44 pm
As it's not a 100% vote required it's not too big an issue, but probably another thing ignored by the public at large.
Anyone who thought the EU would roll over for us was foolish.
Anyone who thought the EU would roll over for us was foolish.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:08 pm
This is a great example of how different media's can spin these stories. My understanding is that this relates to a future trade deal with the EU after we have left and not in relation to the brexit deal. The DM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4368644/Fury-Spain-handed-right-BLOCK-Gibraltar-Brexit-deal.html#comments have very conveniently reported it as Spain having the power to block the brexit deal, which is completely different to a future trade deal. Leading to a lot of angry people in the comments section, which of course is what the DM want as it creates traffic to their website, with people commenting repeatedly and sharing the story on social media etc.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:54 pm
I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:57 pm
Lagamorph wrote:I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
They have always been funny with us over the Falkands as well. They've never batted an eyelid though over Ceuta and Melilla, which spain holds in Morocco.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:04 pm
Lagamorph wrote:I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
The EU might be, that doesn't mean Spain is.
Any deal will require 72% of the EU to agree. If Spain wants to play hardball, it won't take many more countries to scupper any deal.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:10 pm
Moggy wrote:Lagamorph wrote:I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
The EU might be, that doesn't mean Spain is.
Any deal will require 72% of the EU to agree. If Spain wants to play hardball, it won't take many more countries to scupper any deal.
There is confusion though on this. The BBC have reported that it relates to a future trade deal which requires 100% agreement across all it's members states. The 72% of the EU relates to the exit deal, which is how outlets like the daily mail have reported it. I'm tending to trust the BBC more on this.
The annoying this is that a lot of media outlets are getting the exit deal and a future trade deal mixed up.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:21 pm
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Lagamorph wrote:I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
The EU might be, that doesn't mean Spain is.
Any deal will require 72% of the EU to agree. If Spain wants to play hardball, it won't take many more countries to scupper any deal.
There is confusion though on this. The BBC have reported that it relates to a future trade deal which requires 100% agreement across all it's members states. The 72% of the EU relates to the exit deal, which is how outlets like the daily mail have reported it. I'm tending to trust the BBC more on this.
The annoying this is that a lot of media outlets are getting the exit deal and a future trade deal mixed up.
Not surprising given the UK government are trying to push them as the same thing.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:25 pm
Lagamorph wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Lagamorph wrote:I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
The EU might be, that doesn't mean Spain is.
Any deal will require 72% of the EU to agree. If Spain wants to play hardball, it won't take many more countries to scupper any deal.
There is confusion though on this. The BBC have reported that it relates to a future trade deal which requires 100% agreement across all it's members states. The 72% of the EU relates to the exit deal, which is how outlets like the daily mail have reported it. I'm tending to trust the BBC more on this.
The annoying this is that a lot of media outlets are getting the exit deal and a future trade deal mixed up.
Not surprising given the UK government are trying to push them as the same thing.
Well yeah true. I think it's very important though that people understand the difference.
Re: Brexit
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:35 pm
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Lagamorph wrote:I thought the EU were very onboard with the whole Right to self determination idea. Surely they shouldn't be siding with Spain on this at all.
The EU might be, that doesn't mean Spain is.
Any deal will require 72% of the EU to agree. If Spain wants to play hardball, it won't take many more countries to scupper any deal.
There is confusion though on this. The BBC have reported that it relates to a future trade deal which requires 100% agreement across all it's members states. The 72% of the EU relates to the exit deal, which is how outlets like the daily mail have reported it. I'm tending to trust the BBC more on this.
The annoying this is that a lot of media outlets are getting the exit deal and a future trade deal mixed up.
Yeah sorry I wasn't clear, I was talking about an exit deal or a possible extension to the Article 50 process.
The trade deal is strawberry floated if we so much as look at another European country in a way they don't like. I'm sure there's no way we'll stay in anything but great terms with 27 other countries during this process....
