Re: Brexit
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:03 pm
Liam Fox shouldn't even have a political career, the corrupt bloated little chancer. He's the kind of cuntlord the nazis would have made Prime Minister if they conquered us.
BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false
It's a pretty hard statistic to measure
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.
Grumpy David wrote:BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false
It's a pretty hard statistic to measure
My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.
What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.
The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.
BID0 wrote:Grumpy David wrote:BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false
It's a pretty hard statistic to measure
My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.
What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.
I think that was just the papers
Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/
The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.
Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)
Moggy wrote:BID0 wrote:Grumpy David wrote:BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false
It's a pretty hard statistic to measure
My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.
What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.
I think that was just the papers
Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/
The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.
Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)
I would love to know more about the 5% of UKIP voters that voted Remain.
Moggy wrote:BID0 wrote:Grumpy David wrote:BID0 wrote:If you ignore the SNP wasnt labour the party that converted the most of their traditional voters to vote remain? I'm only going by memory, but I'm pretty sure it turned out that most Labour voters voting leave was false
It's a pretty hard statistic to measure
My memory of weeks after the referendum was a lot of anger and frustration at Corbyn for not being a passionate remainer and that if he had played a bigger role in supporting Remain, the campaign would have done better.
I don't know if there are reliable statistics on how Labour voters voted overall, but even if most voted to remain, the Labour Party itself didn't come across as "passionately remain" which makes sense given the top 2 in charge are closet Brexiters.
What we know is working-class voters voted Leave in significant numbers i.e lower social groups, lower incomes, lower education voters and much larger numbers in the North too. Those aren't statistically likely to be Tory voters.
I think that was just the papers
Not accurate but about the best we are going to get:The vote on Britain's membership of the European Union cut across party lines, with significant division within Britain's main political parties. Conservatives voted to Leave, 61% to 39%. Labour voters (65%) and Liberal Democrats (68%) largely voted for Remain but significant minorities went for Leave. Only UKIP, where 95% voted for Leave, and the Greens, where 80% voted for Remain, avoided significant internal divisions on the vote.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/
The Remain campaign was headed up by David Cameron (Conservative) and he and his team were the ones who chose the message for remaining.
Only UKIP and Greens were the two parties to convert most of their voters to either side of the debate (which is to be expected as they're the far edges of each end of the political spectrum)
I would love to know more about the 5% of UKIP voters that voted Remain.
Hyperion wrote:They're racists with a good understanding of business and economics
Moggy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.
Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.
Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.
That's my concern. In theory there's no need to panic as we can have longer than two years if we all agree but I can only see us pissing of the rest of the EU to a point where they won agree.
“Post Brexit a UK-German deal would include free access for their cars and industrial goods, in exchange for a deal on everything else,” he said on 26 May this year.
“Similar deals would be reached with other key EU nations. France would want to protect £3 billion of food and wine exports. Italy, its £1 billion fashion exports. Poland its £3 billion manufacturing exports.”
Photek wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Moggy wrote:Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
I believe that it's in the rules that an extention can be agreed negotiation period. We can agree to go past the two years with the existing trade arrangements.
Trouble is both sides have to agree. I'd imagine that the EU (all 27 countries as well!) will not be looking too fondly at an application for an extension when the UK triggered Article 50 and then immediately wasted months pissing about with an unnecessary general election.
That's my concern. In theory there's no need to panic as we can have longer than two years if we all agree but I can only see us pissing of the rest of the EU to a point where they won agree.
EU will agree to a small extension if one at all. People keep forgetting that it's in the interests of the EU to make an example of the UK to influence other countries thinking about leaving.