Brexit

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

I didn’t call anybody a Corbyn cultist. I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched.”

All your posts are not exactly making me think Corbyn supporters are not cult like.

You mentioned Cable before and now think I need to understand that the Lib Dem’s are an irrelevance? I haven’t voted Lib Dem since 2010, I’ve not “supported” them on here at all and I don’t think I’ve ever really posted about Cable.

All your posts don't make me think you're not a Lib Dem and that detractors of Corbyn and the current Labour party are not Centrists and Dads

And you say I can’t deal with a difference of opinion?

Yep

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Hyperion wrote:It was obvious who you were calling a Corbynite cultist and you've continued to do it since.
Why have I got to post in support of Corbyn or positive things about him? I'm against people blaming the actions of the Tory government on the Labour party
Your main arguement is nothing, you're not making an arguement, which will help you understand why Lib Dem's are irrelevant

I didn’t call anybody a Corbyn cultist. I said “People have compared Corbyn supporters to a cult before. And it’s not that far fetched.”

All your posts are not exactly making me think Corbyn supporters are not cult like.

You mentioned Cable before and now think I need to understand that the Lib Dem’s are an irrelevance? I haven’t voted Lib Dem since 2010, I’ve not “supported” them on here at all and I don’t think I’ve ever really posted about Cable.

All your posts don't make me think you're not a Lib Dem and that detractors of Corbyn and the current Labour party are not Centrists and Dads

And you say I can’t deal with a difference of opinion?

Yep

*irony meter explodes*

DML wrote:I always like these conversations between two people who must get in the final word.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:I always like these conversations between two people who must get in the final word.

They normally involve you.

Garth wrote:Corbyn has faults but a Labour government with their current manifesto would still be preferable to another Conservative government for me at this time, so I'd choose to vote tactically in the next election to best damage the Conservative's chances if I could - but I'm in a DUP stronghold so my vote matters for strawberry float all.

Moggy wrote:

Garth wrote:Corbyn has faults but a Labour government with their current manifesto would still be preferable to another Conservative government for me at this time, so I'd choose to vote tactically in the next election to best damage the Conservative's chances if I could - but I'm in a DUP stronghold so my vote matters for strawberry float all.

I agree that Corbyn would be better than May. Or any of the top table of the Tories.

I think with Corbyn in charge we are doomed to many more years of Tory rule (probably propped up by the likes of the DUP).

Poser wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Garth wrote:Corbyn has faults but a Labour government with their current manifesto would still be preferable to another Conservative government for me at this time, so I'd choose to vote tactically in the next election to best damage the Conservative's chances if I could - but I'm in a DUP stronghold so my vote matters for strawberry float all.

I agree that Corbyn would be better than May. Or any of the top table of the Tories.

I think with Corbyn in charge we are doomed to many more years of Tory rule (probably propped up by the likes of the DUP).

Well, yes. With the SNP now being a thing, Labour would have go go very centrist to make any real headway with floating voters.

Torys 4 eva idst

Hexx wrote:

Dual wrote:What is a centrist dad?

It's a slang/derogatory term that came from the left (Corbynites I think). It's where people (mostly men ) have centrist and neoliberal beliefs.

It's often used to dismiss anyone criticizing Corbyn/Momentum as out of touch and cynical - particularly when they say "talk down to" (or "condescend") to the naive idealistic young'uns about their unrealistic beliefs/expectations.

View yourself as pragmatic and grounded in politics? You're probably an a centrist dad!

People that use it probably want to see themselves as the white che guevara

Brexit has made Britain more welcoming to immigrants - Michael Gove

Brexit has led to Britain adopting one of the warmest attitudes in the EU towards migration and strengthened unionism, Michael Gove has said.

The Environment Secretary said the Leave vote had dealt a blow to the “identity politics” put forward by parties like the SNP and Ukip.

Then prominent Leave campaigner told a Policy Exchange conference on unionism in London: “Another feature of unionism, the explicit embrace of diversity has strengthened since Brexit.

“Britain has become more welcoming to migration since the Brexit vote as opinion research has confirmed.

“The act of taking back control has allowed British citizens to show that they can be more welcoming to new arrivals if allowed to be rather than required to be.

“And now Britain is one of those EU nations with the warmest attitude towards migration, mirroring the attitudes in sister countries across the globe such as Canada and New Zealand.”

Mr Gove attacked what he called the “divisive” identity politics of the left and right, saying Brexit had boosted unionist values of inclusion as it was a “vote of confidence” in Britain.

The Cabinet Minister said he did not agree with claims that the Leave campaign indulged in identity politics with warnings that millions of Turkish people could have been entitled to come to the UK in the future if it did not leave the EU.

Mr Gove said he did not believe Brexit would lead to Northern Ireland exiting the UK, and suggested support for Scottish independence had fallen.

He said: “Brexit has, certainly so far, strengthened unionist currency in our politics, not weakened it.

“Since the vote to leave the European Union in 2016, support for Scotland leaving the United Kingdom has diminished.”

Mr Gove said Prime Minister Theresa May was absolutely determined to find the right answer for “delicate” Brexit issues relating to the Northern Irish border.

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

It doesnt matter if they don't recover, they will still have enough seats to be a likely kingmaker.

Squinty wrote:If the Tories win a majority, they could easily discard the DUP shackles and defy them by putting the border on the sea. I don't think it's likely, but if they were free of them, it would provide a bit more wiggle room.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... html%3famp

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