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lex-man wrote:

Squinty wrote:If the Tories win a majority, they could easily discard the DUP shackles and defy them by putting the border on the sea. I don't think it's likely, but if they were free of them, it would provide a bit more wiggle room.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... html%3famp

More project fear!

The DUP have a lot of sway over Tory party even without holding them up. That's why the Good Friday Agreement happened under a Labour government because they weren't beholden to the DUP. Also the Tories want to keep the UK together so they'd be a fight in their ranks over putting a hard boarder between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

Squinty wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Squinty wrote:If the Tories win a majority, they could easily discard the DUP shackles and defy them by putting the border on the sea. I don't think it's likely, but if they were free of them, it would provide a bit more wiggle room.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... html%3famp

More project fear!

The DUP have a lot of sway over Tory party even without holding them up. That's why the Good Friday Agreement happened under a Labour government because they weren't beholden to the DUP. Also the Tories want to keep the UK together so they'd be a fight in their ranks over putting a hard boarder between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

I honestly don't think the hard brexit side of their party would care at all about the union breaking up.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

It doesnt matter if they don't recover, they will still have enough seats to be a likely kingmaker.

Explain how similar election results to last year will make the Lib Dem’s kingmakers?

And even if they were, why would ex-coalition member Cable not go with the Tories rather than Corbyn?

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

It doesnt matter if they don't recover, they will still have enough seats to be a likely kingmaker.

Explain how similar election results to last year will make the Lib Dem’s kingmakers?

And even if they were, why would ex-coalition member Cable not go with the Tories rather than Corbyn?

I think possibilities exist outside very similar results. If the Tories had less seats even by five, the DUP would not have enough seats to prop them up.

The Lib Dems and SNP would probably have very different potential partners.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

It doesnt matter if they don't recover, they will still have enough seats to be a likely kingmaker.

Explain how similar election results to last year will make the Lib Dem’s kingmakers?

And even if they were, why would ex-coalition member Cable not go with the Tories rather than Corbyn?

I think possibilities exist outside very similar results. If the Tories had less seats even by five, the DUP would not have enough seats to prop them up.

The Lib Dems and SNP would probably have very different potential partners.

Yes but we can play that game all day, if the DUP had less seats, if the Tories had less seats etc.

Fact is that another general election looks like being another hung parliament with the Tories having most seats. If the DUP aren’t enough to give them a majority then we’ll end up with a minority government and yet another election soon after.

DML wrote:I always like these conversations between two people who must get in the final word.

Moggy wrote:They normally involve you.

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

It doesnt matter if they don't recover, they will still have enough seats to be a likely kingmaker.

Explain how similar election results to last year will make the Lib Dem’s kingmakers?

And even if they were, why would ex-coalition member Cable not go with the Tories rather than Corbyn?

I think possibilities exist outside very similar results. If the Tories had less seats even by five, the DUP would not have enough seats to prop them up.

The Lib Dems and SNP would probably have very different potential partners.

Yes but we can play that game all day, if the DUP had less seats, if the Tories had less seats etc.

Fact is that another general election looks like being another hung parliament with the Tories having most seats. If the DUP aren’t enough to give them a majority then we’ll end up with a minority government and yet another election soon after.

But there are scenarios where the Tories can have most seats and not end up in government. If the DUP/Tories don't have ebnough seats, don't you think they'd go with the Lib Dems in a heartbeat?

'We can play that game all day'

I'm talking about quite obvious possibilities in a very likely hung parliament.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:Thing is it was almost a fluke that it was the DUP that could give the Tories power last time. The kingmakers next time are very, very likely to be either the Lib Dems or the SNP.

The Lib Dem’s are unlikely to recover and the SNP are so anti-Brexit that I doubt they’ll go along with Corbyn.

If the DUP collapse though then things will get interesting.

It doesnt matter if they don't recover, they will still have enough seats to be a likely kingmaker.

Explain how similar election results to last year will make the Lib Dem’s kingmakers?

And even if they were, why would ex-coalition member Cable not go with the Tories rather than Corbyn?

I think possibilities exist outside very similar results. If the Tories had less seats even by five, the DUP would not have enough seats to prop them up.

The Lib Dems and SNP would probably have very different potential partners.

Yes but we can play that game all day, if the DUP had less seats, if the Tories had less seats etc.

Fact is that another general election looks like being another hung parliament with the Tories having most seats. If the DUP aren’t enough to give them a majority then we’ll end up with a minority government and yet another election soon after.

But there are scenarios where the Tories can have most seats and not end up in government. If the DUP/Tories don't have ebnough seats, don't you think they'd go with the Lib Dems in a heartbeat?

'We can play that game all day'

I'm talking about quite obvious possibilities in a very likely hung parliament.

Well we can play that game all day! That wasn’t a dig, we could be here all day saying “what if the Lib Dem’s got more?”, “what if the SNP got less”, “what if Labour do better than expected”, “what if the Tories drop May and get a bounce from a new leader”, “what if Sinn Fein take their seats” etc etc

All we can go on is at the moment it’s likely a general election would be pretty similar to last time. And as May is still ahead of Corbyn in popularity (how the strawberry float is that possible??), I wouldn’t hold out hope for a non-Tory led government.

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more heat than light wrote:I think the youth vote is likely to be more engaged this time around. As in, 'if we can push the Tories this close last time, imagine what we can do if we had a proper go'. Whereas old people can be more...



Honestly no result would surprise me. Apart from maybe UKIP doing ok.

Lagamorph wrote:

more heat than light wrote:I think the youth vote is likely to be more engaged this time around. As in, 'if we can push the Tories this close last time, imagine what we can do if we had a proper go'. Whereas old people can be more...



Honestly no result would surprise me. Apart from maybe UKIP doing ok.

Given that Corbyn's hard-on for hard-Brexit is becoming more evident with every passing say since the last General Election I can honestly see the youth vote massively decreasing as they abandon Labour and can't find anywhere else to really go.

Errkal wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

more heat than light wrote:I think the youth vote is likely to be more engaged this time around. As in, 'if we can push the Tories this close last time, imagine what we can do if we had a proper go'. Whereas old people can be more...



Honestly no result would surprise me. Apart from maybe UKIP doing ok.

Given that Corbyn's hard-on for hard-Brexit is becoming more evident with every passing say since the last General Election I can honestly see the youth vote massively decreasing as they abandon Labour and can't find anywhere else to really go.

They will vote libdem

Lagamorph wrote:

Errkal wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

more heat than light wrote:I think the youth vote is likely to be more engaged this time around. As in, 'if we can push the Tories this close last time, imagine what we can do if we had a proper go'. Whereas old people can be more...



Honestly no result would surprise me. Apart from maybe UKIP doing ok.

Given that Corbyn's hard-on for hard-Brexit is becoming more evident with every passing say since the last General Election I can honestly see the youth vote massively decreasing as they abandon Labour and can't find anywhere else to really go.

They will vote libdem

I'm not sure the Youth Vote are ready to forgive the coalition and increased tuition fees yet.
Though they do seem ready to forgive Labour for introducing tuition fees in the first place so who knows.

Lagamorph wrote:

Errkal wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

more heat than light wrote:I think the youth vote is likely to be more engaged this time around. As in, 'if we can push the Tories this close last time, imagine what we can do if we had a proper go'. Whereas old people can be more...



Honestly no result would surprise me. Apart from maybe UKIP doing ok.

Given that Corbyn's hard-on for hard-Brexit is becoming more evident with every passings say since the last General Election I can honestly see the youth vote massively decreasing as they abandon Labour and can't find anywhere else to really go.

They will vote libdem

I'm not sure the Youth Vote are ready to forgive the coalition and increased tuition fees yet.
Though they do seem ready to forgive Labour for introducing tuition fees in the first place so who knows.

Rex Kramer wrote:I think the only guaranteed outcome of another general election is a lower voter turnout. Bringing in fixed term parliaments seems to have had the opposite effect that was intending.

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:I think the only guaranteed outcome of another general election is a lower voter turnout. Bringing in fixed term parliaments seems to have had the opposite effect that was intending.

Since the fixed term parliaments were brought in, we’ve had one on schedule, one snap election and possibly another snap election on the way.

Another fantastic Cameron success.

Lagamorph wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Rex Kramer wrote:I think the only guaranteed outcome of another general election is a lower voter turnout. Bringing in fixed term parliaments seems to have had the opposite effect that was intending.

Since the fixed term parliaments were brought in, we’ve had one on schedule, one snap election and possibly another snap election on the way.

Another fantastic Cameron success.

Fixed Term Parliament was a Lib Dem policy wasn't it not Cameron?