lex-man wrote:Death's Head wrote:Moggy wrote:Death's Head wrote:Moggy wrote:Death's Head wrote:Moggy wrote:Leavers: "We want to be free to decide for ourselves who we trade with and under what terms! We also want strong borders so we can stop people coming in!"
Spain/EU: "After Brexit, we want to give Spain a say on any trade deal with Gibraltar"
Leavers: "WAR!!!!!!!"
I don't understand why Spain should specifically have a say. They should be considered as part of the UK and therefore should be considered as such, not a separate entity that Spain has some special say over.
Is France getting some special say over the Channel Islands? Giving Spain a say over Gibraltar is just opening old wounds, maybe deliberately.
Gibraltar is not part of the UK.
Why shouldn't Spain have a say in who it trades with and who enters Spain? Gibraltar has a land border with Spain - Leaver logic suggests that Spain should have say in which non-EU citizens it trades with and how it controls its borders.
So you don't think any trade terms with Gibraltar should be the same as the UK? Entry in and out of the country they should have a say in (as they would for other UK residents entering Spain), but the same trade deal reached with the UK should apply.
You think the same trade deal should apply to Monserrat, the Cayman Islands, the British Antarctic Territory, the Pitcairn Islands and Bermuda?
So I guess your answer to my question is "no". In answer to your question, if Spain has different trade agreements with all the locations you mentioned, then no, but they aren't part of the EU.
Also they don't share a land border with Spain.
What's a land border got to do with it? Should Serbia get the same deal because it has a land border with the EU? Very soon the UK and Gibraltar will be as separate to the EU as Serbia is now. Or do you think ex-members of the club should get special deals?
Those places have the same relationship with the UK as Gibraltar, why would Gibraltar deserve different deals to them?
Death's Head is correct that those places are not part of the EU, neither will Gibraltar be soon.