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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:09 am

The whole "open borders" thing was just a UKIP lie. We were never in Schengen, we are an island and there was never anything to stop us limiting migration.

It was all a nice way for Blair/Brown/Cameron/May to blame the EU for high immigration, rather than them having to explain to the xenophobes why we actually need immigrants and why they are a good thing.

Decades of political cowardice led us to this. :fp:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:13 am

It's what happens when all elections are pr excersices, no one wants to deal with the hard sell stuff and just takes the easy option of blame that thing over therem

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:32 am

Honestly, the government is just deflecting all negativity away by blaming someone or something. I agree with Moggy, this has been the making for years because of that. The sooner the general population realises this, the better.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:38 pm

Nigel, about the Proms last night:

Nigel Farage to The Guardian wrote:These people are still in denial over the referendum result. They are trying to make it all about them instead of a great concert. The British people want to leave the EU no matter how many flags they fly.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Errkal » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:42 pm

Favourite Farage moment recently

twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/906555325347540992



EU states working together, if only there was a kind of union for that.

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:26 pm

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It's good news for London but drawing attention to Frankfurt being eleventh is a pointless dig seeing as it's actually risen by 12 places. It's entirely reliant on people only looking at the first column.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Garth » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:35 pm

And we're still a year and a half away from Brexit happening.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:54 pm

I mean people will interpret those figures how they see fit, but the fact New York has fallen 24, Boston 30 and San Francisco 31 (both down a whopping 10 places in the rankings) is the story there, as is Asia in general. That is a sign of a declining superpower.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:21 pm

YouGov wrote:New YouGov Eurotrack data reveals that it is not just the British public that want the UK to leave the European Union; French people want Brexit, too.

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A plurality of people in France say they would rather that Britain left the EU than stayed in it (38% to 32%). Of the six EU nations surveyed, only in France and Britain did more people say they wanted Britain to leave than stay (in Britain those figures were 47% and 43% respectively).

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By contrast, over six in ten (62%) Danes want Britain to stay in the EU, as do a majority of Swedes (56%) and Finns (51%), and approaching half (49%) of Germans. Support for Britain leaving rested at just 18-25% in these countries.

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Should I stay or should I go now?

British Brexiteers are evenly split 48% vs 47% on whether the UK should leave the EU immediately or only once Brexit negotiations are complete. French Brexit supporters are also closely split, with 46% favouring immediate withdrawal and 50% wanting negotiations to conclude first.

By contrast, Brexit supporters in Germany and the Nordic nations are all much more likely to say that the UK should only cut loose from the EU once Brexit negotiations are complete (53-60%) than leave immediately (31-40%).

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But how would people in Europe feel if Britain changed its mind about Brexit and decided to remain in the EU after all? In Germany, the primary emotional response would be positive. Asked to choose up to three emotions, the most common responses would be “relieved” (23%), “pleased” (22%) and “delighted” (15%). (Relief and pleasure were also the top two responses among Nordic EU members).

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Among French people, the primary reaction would be the Gallic shrug: indifference. Close to a quarter (23%) of French people would be apathetic about Britain’s decision to remain in the EU fold, while relief, pleasure and disappointment are all tied for second place (on 15%) were the UK to stay.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:23 pm

We've been utter pains in the arses to the EU for over 30 years. I'm not surprised the French just want us to strawberry float off. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:06 pm

KK wrote:I mean people will interpret those figures how they see fit, but the fact New York has fallen 24, Boston 30 and San Francisco 31 (both down a whopping 10 places in the rankings) is the story there, as is Asia in general. That is a sign of a declining superpower.

Absolutely. Considering how big a deal was made of Trump's status as a successful businessman those numbers are outright grim. Los Angeles is down 22 points while Chicago and Washington are both down 40. I'm nothing like an expert on how these ratings work but even a pleb like me could tell you those are bad numbers.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:36 pm

Moggy wrote:We've been utter pains in the arses to the EU for over 30 years. I'm not surprised the French just want us to strawberry float off. :lol:

In fairness, the French are hardly much better sometimes. Isn't it only France that supports the monthly move of the entire EU parliament to Strasbourg whilst everyone else would rather stop the whole thing and just stay in Brussels?
Not to mention the insane farming subsidies France pulls out.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:50 pm

The gulf between London and New York is also the widest its been since they started doing those rankings in 2007, though that's more down to the decline of New York than London itself pulling away.

London has also surpassed New York in terms of being more culturally diverse, with 37% of Londoners now being born outside the UK, compared to New York City’s 36 (though maybe that'll change post Brexit).

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:30 pm

The debate over the EU Withdrawal bill is currently scheduled to last until at least Midnight.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:01 pm

Lagamorph wrote:The debate over the EU Withdrawal bill is currently scheduled to last until at least Midnight.


Sucks to be them. They are missing the Nintendo direct.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:42 am

Bill passed by 326 to 290

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41235522

Seven Labour MPs defied Jeremy Corbyn's order to oppose the bill - Ronnie Campbell, Frank Field, Kate Hoey, Kelvin Hopkins, John Mann, Dennis Skinner and Graham Stringer.
No Conservatives voted against it.

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PostRe: Brexit
by andretmzt » Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:45 am

I wonder if some people will still be wanking over Dennis Skinner every time he opens his mouth now?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:40 am

I assume they were all from strong Leave areas?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:15 am

Squinty wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:The debate over the EU Withdrawal bill is currently scheduled to last until at least Midnight.


Sucks to be them. They are missing the Nintendo direct.


They weren't. You Muppet.

Well, there's a surprise. I knew this would go through.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:32 am

If Theresa May is now Henry VIII, does that mean Boris is Thomas Cromwell and we can look forward to him losing his head in the near future?


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