Brexit

Boris Johnson insists he is 'all behind' May over Brexit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41289080

Well obviously, it's much easier to stab somebody in the back when you are behind them.

Moggy wrote:Boris Johnson insists he is 'all behind' May over Brexit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41289080

Well obviously, it's much easier to stab somebody in the back when you are behind them.

Too be fair I don't think he will stab her in the back, all he needs to do is ever so lightly push her and she will probably collapse.

The thing is. He actually doesn't want to challenge her. Because the initial challenger never wins. He'll want someone else to and then he can make his move. Might go to the conference as it's in Manchester.

Gove has backed Boris.
Calls for May to sack him.

It has begun.

I reckon he'll be prime minister by Easter.

I doubt it'll make any difference, but there's a petition (currently at 80k sigs) calling for another referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

It won't make any difference at all.

Alone maybe, but the point is to keep up the pressure and show that there are many people who aren't racist/are intelligent enough to realise Brexit is a strawberry floating stupid idea.

Yeah. If enough of you keep at it you will be able to fully close the stable door. Even though the horse has bolted.

I love this thread. It's unintentionally comedic gold.

The horse hasn't bolted though. Article 50 can still be undone at this point and the whole overwhelmingly stupid thing can still be stopped.

Moggy wrote:I doubt it'll make any difference, but there's a petition (currently at 80k sigs) calling for another referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200004

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Lagamorph wrote:The horse hasn't bolted though. Article 50 can still be undone at this point and the whole overwhelmingly stupid thing can still be stopped.

It won't be though. I dont want to start that whole debate again but it isn't going to happen.
But if it keeps you little remain scamps happy? strawberry float it.

Denster wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:The horse hasn't bolted though. Article 50 can still be undone at this point and the whole overwhelmingly stupid thing can still be stopped.

It won't be though. I dont want to start that whole debate again but it isn't going to happen.
But if it keeps you little remain scamps happy? strawberry float it.

I don't think it'll make any difference (I even said so when I posted it) but that's not the point.

Can Brexit be stopped? Yes, it is not too late. However unlikely it seems, there is still a chance. But that, however unlikely, will only come about if there is pressure on the government.

Even if you don't think there is any chance of the government stopping it, it is still worthwhile voicing your disapproval if you believe in remaining in the EU. Again, I don't think it will be stopped, but I believe it's worthwhile to have a voice and to use that voice.

The Leave supporters believed and campaigned for 40 years, why shouldn't Remain supporters?

It's not the same and you know that.
It isn't going to be reversed. But wish for it and hope by all means.

Denster wrote:It's not the same and you know that.
It isn't going to be reversed. But wish for it and hope by all means.

I didn't say it was exactly the same. I said if Leave supporters can bitch and moan after a democratic vote for 40 years, then Remain supporters can bitch and moan for a couple of years when there is still a chance (however small) of stopping it.

Hoping and wishing are far better than sitting back, ignoring it and allowing the likes of Boris to strawberry float you.

Everyone here seems to think that Brexit won't happen, so it must be quite a popular view across Europe. I told them they don't realise how stubborn the British can be.

Moggy wrote:

Denster wrote:It's not the same and you know that.
It isn't going to be reversed. But wish for it and hope by all means.

I didn't say it was exactly the same. I said if Leave supporters can bitch and moan after a democratic vote for 40 years, then Remain supporters can bitch and moan for a couple of years when there is still a chance (however small) of stopping it.

Hoping and wishing are far better than sitting back, ignoring it and allowing the likes of Boris to strawberry float you.

As long as you're happy with that.

And we actually strawberry floated ourselves. That's why it's so hard for you to let it go.
If we could only vote again - we'd win.
If.


Too late I'm afraid. But hey - once the accounts are settled...

Denster wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Denster wrote:It's not the same and you know that.
It isn't going to be reversed. But wish for it and hope by all means.

I didn't say it was exactly the same. I said if Leave supporters can bitch and moan after a democratic vote for 40 years, then Remain supporters can bitch and moan for a couple of years when there is still a chance (however small) of stopping it.

Hoping and wishing are far better than sitting back, ignoring it and allowing the likes of Boris to strawberry float you.

As long as you're happy with that.

And we actually strawberry floated ourselves. That's why it's so hard for you to let it go.
If we could only vote again - we'd win.
If.


Too late I'm afraid. But hey - once the accounts are settled...

Are you even reading what I am writing? I've said over and over that's it's almost certainly too late. You keep bringing it up as if to suggest I don't realise that when it's something I've been saying for quite a while now.

There isn't zero hope however and I think it's worth keeping the pressure on. Not necessarily because I think it'll change the governments mind, but because it's important to actually voice objections.

Your attitude seems to be "I don't like it, it's happening and so I'll do nothing". Fair enough, you can do or not do anything you want. But some of us think it's important to have our voices heard, rather than passively submitting to something we disagree with.

I am sure there are plenty of people who voted Leave who would be satisfied with single market membership. They are certainly getting strawberry floated by Boris et al. rather than by some abstract notion of democracy.

I prefer democratic systems that don't have referenda anyway. People can barely decide on a coherent political ideology (those UKIP voters who were also Remain ) so it's obvious that they will make bad decisions when voting on complicated pieces of legislation.

I'm not passively submitting to anything.
I'm just not wishing for something that isn't going to happen. Your voice isn't being heard. You're voicing it in an internet chat room.
Are you going on protests marches or doing anything other than objecting to it in here?
If you are - great. If all you're doing is objecting in this thread on this forum then dont kid yourself.
If posting make you feel better. Do it by all means. Im not trying to stop you.
But don't crack on like it's anything more than what it is.


Sign the petition. It'll make you feel like you've done something.
You haven't but it will feel like it.

Denster wrote:I'm not passively submitting to anything.
I'm just not wishing for something that isn't going to happen. Your voice isn't being heard. You're voicing it in an internet chat room.
Are you going on protests marches or doing anything other than objecting to it in here?
If you are - great. If all you're doing is objecting in this thread on this forum then dont kid yourself.
If posting make you feel better. Do it by all means. Im not trying to stop you.
But don't crack on like it's anything more than what it is.


Sign the petition. It'll make you feel like you've done something.
You haven't but it will feel like it.

How do you think Leave gained a lot of support? Part of it was down to the media and the lying politicians, but a large swathe of support came from social media posts. Posting here might not achieve anything (and again for the millionth time I am not saying it can be stopped) but that doesn't mean it's not worthwhile. Even just as a cathartic release.

Do I do anything? Are you suggesting that a protest march has any greater impact on things than just posting here? You think it's all a done deal, so what's the point of marching?

I have done more than just post here though. I've become an Irish citizen to keep my EU citizenship, I've signed petitions that have been debated in parliament, I've joined protest marches locally, I've spent time (successfully in a few cases) changing the minds of some Leave voters (online and face to face). Posting here doesn't mean I don't do anything.

Again (millionth and one time) I don't think it'll make any difference but I'm not just passively taking it. If Boris pins you down and starts fumbling at your trousers, you might think it's better to just take it. I'll struggle against it. I'll almost certainly still get strawberry floated, but at least I'll have tried.