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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
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80%
Leave the European Union
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20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:02 am

Lagamorph wrote:I have to wonder if she's telling the EU "Look, we will go along with this eventually, let me just say we won't so I can say I tried while you guys pretend I'm not accepting it ok?"


I actually think she is daft enough to think that she can get the things she asks for. There’s nothing in it for the EU to go along with that sort of plan, May sees herself as a tough (strong and stable) person that can get these deals through, I don’t think she’d admit to herself that she is pretty powerless at the moment.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:29 am



:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:45 am

Brexit was sold based on us being able to have trade deals ready on day 1.
Now they're admitting it will be "some time" after day 1. When Remain pointed out this exact thing would happen it was PROJECT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:46 am

Lagamorph wrote:I have to wonder if she's telling the EU "Look, we will go along with this eventually, let me just say we won't so I can say I tried while you guys pretend I'm not accepting it ok?"


'I so want to keep my job, pretty please?'

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:06 am

Lagamorph wrote:Brexit was sold based on us being able to have trade deals ready on day 1.
Now they're admitting it will be "some time" after day 1. When Remain pointed out this exact thing would happen it was PROJECT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!11111


And they are also now having to admit that we could trade with the rest of the world anyway.

So the benefits of Brexit are?

Trade with the rest of the world - we already could.

Sovereignty – Parliament was always sovereign.

Immigration - We need immigration and we could kick out anybody we didn’t want.

Fishing – We might have more control over fishing rights, but we will have less places to fish when other countries impose rules over us.

The economy – Even a “best case” scenario where we remain in the single market will mean a drop in growth.

Membership costs – It’s not £350m a week, it won’t be used for the NHS and anything we do save on fees will be dwarfed by the economic impact of leaving.

Turkey might join – It’s never going to happen with Greece and Cyprus in the EU. Plus we could have vetoed it anyway.

Democracy – The EU is more democratic than the UK.

Blue Passports – I guess this will have to count as an overall victory for Leave.

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PostRe: Brexit
by DML » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:21 am

If only we had a PM with a spine to just turn around and ignore the referendum. Fed up of this constant support for thick people.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:25 am

Moggy wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Brexit was sold based on us being able to have trade deals ready on day 1.
Now they're admitting it will be "some time" after day 1. When Remain pointed out this exact thing would happen it was PROJECT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!11111


And they are also now having to admit that we could trade with the rest of the world anyway.

So the benefits of Brexit are?

Trade with the rest of the world - we already could.

Sovereignty – Parliament was always sovereign.

Immigration - We need immigration and we could kick out anybody we didn’t want.

Fishing – We might have more control over fishing rights, but we will have less places to fish when other countries impose rules over us.

The economy – Even a “best case” scenario where we remain in the single market will mean a drop in growth.

Membership costs – It’s not £350m a week, it won’t be used for the NHS and anything we do save on fees will be dwarfed by the economic impact of leaving.

Turkey might join – It’s never going to happen with Greece and Cyprus in the EU. Plus we could have vetoed it anyway.

Democracy – The EU is more democratic than the UK.

Blue Passports – I guess this will have to count as an overall victory for Leave.

We could already have blue passports if we wanted as well.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:26 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Brexit was sold based on us being able to have trade deals ready on day 1.
Now they're admitting it will be "some time" after day 1. When Remain pointed out this exact thing would happen it was PROJECT FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!11111


And they are also now having to admit that we could trade with the rest of the world anyway.

So the benefits of Brexit are?

Trade with the rest of the world - we already could.

Sovereignty – Parliament was always sovereign.

Immigration - We need immigration and we could kick out anybody we didn’t want.

Fishing – We might have more control over fishing rights, but we will have less places to fish when other countries impose rules over us.

The economy – Even a “best case” scenario where we remain in the single market will mean a drop in growth.

Membership costs – It’s not £350m a week, it won’t be used for the NHS and anything we do save on fees will be dwarfed by the economic impact of leaving.

Turkey might join – It’s never going to happen with Greece and Cyprus in the EU. Plus we could have vetoed it anyway.

Democracy – The EU is more democratic than the UK.

Blue Passports – I guess this will have to count as an overall victory for Leave.

We could already have blue passports if we wanted as well.


Shhh we have to let them have one thing.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:13 pm

Just read the Ryanair brexit clause thing. LOLLERCOPTERS.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lagamorph » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:21 pm

Squinty wrote:Just read the Ryanair brexit clause thing. LOLLERCOPTERS.

What thing?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:23 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Squinty wrote:Just read the Ryanair brexit clause thing. LOLLERCOPTERS.

What thing?


They've put in a clause saying that they take no responsibility if planes aren't allowed to take off and land in the UK.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Benzin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:54 pm

Apparently the aviation industry has no fallback option when the Open Skies Agreement is done (presumably with any HARD BREXIT) :lol:

Guess the Sun will have to have holiday vouchers to the Isle of Man...

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:00 pm

If that ever happened, I am really going to enjoy the Leavers bitching and whining that they can’t get to Benidorm. :lol:

And once flights are allowed in/out of the UK again, I will enjoy the bitching and moaning when Spain introduces high visa fees for UK tourists (as a protest over Gibraltar).

"But but but I want to go to BENIDORM!"

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:31 pm

DML wrote:If only we had a PM with a spine to just turn around and ignore the referendum. Fed up of this constant support for thick people.

She's in an impossible position, I have no idea why she's fighting EU residential stuff during transition but in terms of ignoring the referendum she'd be ousted and some other Goon would take over and possibly botch it up even more.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Hexx » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:34 pm

Photek wrote: I have no idea why she's fighting EU residential stuff during transition


She's trying to pander to the rabbid dogs who've been incised by the recent "she's being too soft/we'll be a vassel state" stuff and the traitorous civil servants for using evidence and facts.

It's short termism as she knows the EU will slap her down - but she's pandering to the mob.

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PostRe: Brexit
by KK » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:00 pm

Moggy wrote:If that ever happened, I am really going to enjoy the Leavers bitching and whining that they can’t get to Benidorm. :lol:

And once flights are allowed in/out of the UK again, I will enjoy the bitching and moaning when Spain introduces high visa fees for UK tourists (as a protest over Gibraltar).

"But but but I want to go to BENIDORM!"

Spain received 18 million tourists from the UK last year alone (by far more than any other individual country in the world), so that isn't going to happen.

And because British (and Germans) tend to take up the oft-mocked package holiday you'd literally cut more than half of an entire sector of the Spanish economy overnight pulling such a ridiculous stunt.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Benzin » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:02 pm

KK wrote:
Moggy wrote:If that ever happened, I am really going to enjoy the Leavers bitching and whining that they can’t get to Benidorm. :lol:

And once flights are allowed in/out of the UK again, I will enjoy the bitching and moaning when Spain introduces high visa fees for UK tourists (as a protest over Gibraltar).

"But but but I want to go to BENIDORM!"

Spain received 18 million tourists from the UK last year alone (by far more than any other individual country in the world), so that isn't going to happen.

And because British (and Germans) tend to take up the oft-mocked package holiday you'd literally cut more than half of an entire sector of the Catalan economy overnight pulling such a ridiculous stunt.


Fixed that for you.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:12 pm

KK wrote:
Moggy wrote:If that ever happened, I am really going to enjoy the Leavers bitching and whining that they can’t get to Benidorm. :lol:

And once flights are allowed in/out of the UK again, I will enjoy the bitching and moaning when Spain introduces high visa fees for UK tourists (as a protest over Gibraltar).

"But but but I want to go to BENIDORM!"

Spain received 18 million tourists from the UK last year alone (by far more than any other individual country in the world), so that isn't going to happen.

And because British (and Germans) tend to take up the oft-mocked package holiday you'd literally cut more than half of an entire sector of the Spanish economy overnight pulling such a ridiculous stunt.


Which one?

Spain will have little say on flights in/out of Britain if no deal is reached.

As for visa fees, 18 million tourists paying fees to enter or exit Spain will probably sound like a good idea to the Spanish government. Would people really stop their holidays to their favourite country if there was an extra £10/£20 charge? Did tourism to America go down when they brought in ESTA?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:44 pm

Hexx wrote:
Photek wrote: I have no idea why she's fighting EU residential stuff during transition


She's trying to pander to the rabbid dogs who've been incised by the recent "she's being too soft/we'll be a vassel state" stuff and the traitorous civil servants for using evidence and facts.

It's short termism as she knows the EU will slap her down - but she's pandering to the mob.


I think the civil servants have it coming. Who'd want to work for the government.

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:07 pm

Moggy wrote:
KK wrote:
Moggy wrote:If that ever happened, I am really going to enjoy the Leavers bitching and whining that they can’t get to Benidorm. :lol:

And once flights are allowed in/out of the UK again, I will enjoy the bitching and moaning when Spain introduces high visa fees for UK tourists (as a protest over Gibraltar).

"But but but I want to go to BENIDORM!"

Spain received 18 million tourists from the UK last year alone (by far more than any other individual country in the world), so that isn't going to happen.

And because British (and Germans) tend to take up the oft-mocked package holiday you'd literally cut more than half of an entire sector of the Spanish economy overnight pulling such a ridiculous stunt.


Which one?

Spain will have little say on flights in/out of Britain if no deal is reached.

As for visa fees, 18 million tourists paying fees to enter or exit Spain will probably sound like a good idea to the Spanish government. Would people really stop their holidays to their favourite country if there was an extra £10/£20 charge? Did tourism to America go down when they brought in ESTA?

It's hardly a vote winner for the Spanish government is it? A decent opposition politician would be able to spin any sort of decrease in tourists from the UK, no matter how negligible, as a direct result of the Governments greedy decision to impose visas, leading to job losses, blah de blah blah.


It might be amusing to think of Brexit ending up with all those who voted for it being "punished" for their actions but any punishment will probably be down to actions of the UK government not foreign politicians.



Not that it matters to you of course seeing as you are Irish now. :toot:


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