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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union
222
80%
Leave the European Union
57
20%
 
Total votes: 279
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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:26 pm

Photek wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Surely Sinn Fein's recent successes and demographic trends should have the British government planning for this utter inevitability, yet it's not been mentioned once.


We can't afford Northern Ireland at the moment tbh. Plus their growth is way behind ours so it would just stifle any economic momentum we've built up.

It may happen but its years away and it would have to happen when both economies are on an even keel.


We are like your North Korea.

Well, we will be when the money runs out for the street lights. The roads are probably better in NK as well.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:30 pm

Squinty wrote:
Photek wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Surely Sinn Fein's recent successes and demographic trends should have the British government planning for this utter inevitability, yet it's not been mentioned once.


We can't afford Northern Ireland at the moment tbh. Plus their growth is way behind ours so it would just stifle any economic momentum we've built up.

It may happen but its years away and it would have to happen when both economies are on an even keel.


We are like your North Korea.

Well, we will be when the money runs out for the street lights. The roads are probably better in NK as well.

I didn't mean it like that, I'm sure the situation was reversed a few years ago.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:37 pm

Photek wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Photek wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Surely Sinn Fein's recent successes and demographic trends should have the British government planning for this utter inevitability, yet it's not been mentioned once.


We can't afford Northern Ireland at the moment tbh. Plus their growth is way behind ours so it would just stifle any economic momentum we've built up.

It may happen but its years away and it would have to happen when both economies are on an even keel.


We are like your North Korea.

Well, we will be when the money runs out for the street lights. The roads are probably better in NK as well.

I didn't mean it like that, I'm sure the situation was reversed a few years ago.


That was a bit of hyperbole on my part.

But I can only agree with what you said, we are a total drain on the UK as a whole. We need a lot of time to get our gooseberry fool together.

We probably won't catch up ever, unless the EU collapses :slol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:47 pm

Squinty wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


I would go as far as saying that a United Ireland wouldn't make sense at this point. The Loyalist side will not take kindly to it if we voted for it.

Give it a few more decades, I'd be happy enough for a vote.


I meant in the context of Brexit. Obviously there are lots of other problems with that idea. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Blue Eyes » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:49 pm

Maybot:

Coming out of the customs union means that we will be free to have those deals - deals that suit the UK. But I also recognise the importance to businesses like this of being able to have as frictionless a border as possible into the European Union.

But I also recognise the importance to businesses like this [a furniture firm - see 12.53pm] of being able to have as frictionless a border as possible into the European Union.

Sentence ends. strawberry float off May you strawberry floating insect banana split bitch.

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:50 pm

I think the Republic of Ireland will have to be well ahead of Northern Ireland economically if there's to be any chance of people voting to leave the UK and become part of a United Ireland. The last two years, between the mishandling of Brexit, the UUP becoming utterly pointless under Swann and Arlene Fosters terrible leadership of the DUP since the RHI scandal broke have probably brought the prospect of a border poll forward by at least ten years. As things stand the Irish government can't be going around wooing Northern Irish nationalists but they need to start working on putting the Irish economy in a position where it could cope with a potential United Ireland. I think that means prioritising reducing the national debt and upping our capital spending even if that means having to forgo traditional vote winners like reducing income tax.

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PostRe: Brexit
by NickSCFC » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:52 pm

Photek wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Surely Sinn Fein's recent successes and demographic trends should have the British government planning for this utter inevitability, yet it's not been mentioned once.


We can't afford Northern Ireland at the moment tbh. Plus their growth is way behind ours so it would just stifle any economic momentum we've built up.

It may happen but its years away and it would have to happen when both economies are on an even keel.


So we've basically turned the "Northern" Irish into North Koreans that no one wants to deal with :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by NickSCFC » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:55 pm

Squinty wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


I would go as far as saying that a United Ireland wouldn't make sense at this point. The Loyalist side will not take kindly to it if we voted for it.

Give it a few more decades, I'd be happy enough for a vote.


Oh well, will of the people and all that :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:56 pm

Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:06 pm

Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:10 pm

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.


Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Lex-Man » Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:20 pm

Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.


Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.


Well it would be possible to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Squinty » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:14 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:Maybot:

Coming out of the customs union means that we will be free to have those deals - deals that suit the UK. But I also recognise the importance to businesses like this of being able to have as frictionless a border as possible into the European Union.

But I also recognise the importance to businesses like this [a furniture firm - see 12.53pm] of being able to have as frictionless a border as possible into the European Union.

Sentence ends. strawberry float off May you strawberry floating insect banana split bitch.


This getting our own deals thing is stupid. Stay in the bloc, let them negotiate for us = profit!

But nah, gotta avoid them EU tax laws.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Rax » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:19 pm

lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.


Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.


Well it would be possible to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement.

I dont think it would be, asking Sinn Fein to agree that Northern Ireland should be treated differently to the Republic is not gonna happen.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:24 pm

Rax wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.


Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.


Well it would be possible to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement.

I dont think it would be, asking Sinn Fein to agree that Northern Ireland should be treated differently to the Republic is not gonna happen.

Sinn Fein have never been in power... so who cares what they think?

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PostRe: Brexit
by Moggy » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:26 pm

Photek wrote:
Rax wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.


Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.


Well it would be possible to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement.

I dont think it would be, asking Sinn Fein to agree that Northern Ireland should be treated differently to the Republic is not gonna happen.

Sinn Fein have never been in power... so who cares what they think?


If they can shut down the assembly then I’d imagine they can stop GFA amendments.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:42 pm

Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:
Rax wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
lex-man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:A couple of months old, but an obvious solution to the Irish border issue ;)

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 0de8b06eaf


The only solutions that could practically work on paper are a united Ireland or for the U.K. to not leave the EU. Everything else just doesn’t make any sense.


Try telling that to Brexiters they seem to think the RoI will vote to rejoin the UK. Also the Unionists would kick up a major stink if that happened.


Yes, I was talking purely about solutions that would work in the context of Brexit.


A hard boarder either between NI and Britain or NI and RoI would work, the problem is that various different parties would block the decision.


Legally it wouldn’t unless the Good Friday Agreement was scrapped.


Well it would be possible to renegotiate the Good Friday agreement.

I dont think it would be, asking Sinn Fein to agree that Northern Ireland should be treated differently to the Republic is not gonna happen.

Sinn Fein have never been in power... so who cares what they think?


If they can shut down the assembly then I’d imagine they can stop GFA amendments.

There is no assembly. I presume any further negotiations would be between the UK and Irish Governments. As for Sinn Fein in Ulster not agreeing to treat Northern Ireland differently when they have been actively been in government up there where they have the pound and all the other UK guff I'm confused.

Everyone knows Ireland will be united some day, Sinn Fein are simply playing the waiting game, the Unionists know it too so are digging their heels in the best they can.

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PostRe: Brexit
by bear » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:43 pm

Is it possible to alter the GFA significantly without triggering a referendum? If it wasn't then the UK government would run the risk of losing a referendum, leading to meaningful calls for a border poll.

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PostRe: Brexit
by Photek » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:46 pm

Any tampering with the GFA will only increase the speed in which we all head towards a united Ireland.

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