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by PES Fan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:22 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I don't even understand how Sky Sports is a ripoff. It's something like £25 a month and when you look at the amount of high quality content you get it's an absolute steal.


The issue people have is they lost champions league, La Liga, ATP tennis right and other rights yet the prices have gone up.

Rights being split around three or four different broadcasters isn’t great for consumer. 5 or 6 years ago the majority of the rights were on Sky and I preferred it that way. Now you need to subscribe to three or four different networks to watch the stuff you had in one package a few years ago.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:31 pm

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Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I don't even understand how Sky Sports is a ripoff. It's something like £25 a month and when you look at the amount of high quality content you get it's an absolute steal.

I don't care about F1, MotoGP, tennis, golf or rugby. If I still have to pay for all that unwanted stuff just to watch domestic football and England cricket tests it's a rip off.


Forget all the other sports. Forget cricket. Tell you what, forget the Football League.

There are usually, what, around 10 Premier League games a month, minimum? That's £2.50 per game, with all the highlights, analysis, discussion you could wish for.

If ~£2.50 per game (remember we're still ignoring everything else, the EFL, all other football, every other sport they show) is a rip off then I'd love to know how much you pay for a meal deal on your lunch break.

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by Wedgie » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:38 pm

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by Dowbocop » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:15 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I don't even understand how Sky Sports is a ripoff. It's something like £25 a month and when you look at the amount of high quality content you get it's an absolute steal.

I don't care about F1, MotoGP, tennis, golf or rugby. If I still have to pay for all that unwanted stuff just to watch domestic football and England cricket tests it's a rip off.


Forget all the other sports. Forget cricket. Tell you what, forget the Football League.

There are usually, what, around 10 Premier League games a month, minimum? That's £2.50 per game, with all the highlights, analysis, discussion you could wish for.

If ~£2.50 per game (remember we're still ignoring everything else, the EFL, all other football, every other sport they show) is a rip off then I'd love to know how much you pay for a meal deal on your lunch break.

I calculate £3.33 per game if you factor in the three months of a twelve month subscription with no football, but I appreciate it was a back of the envelope sum to make a point. However, it's still the unlimited classes at the gym argument. It's great value if you do nothing but watch Sky Sports, but the second that pesky life thing gets in the way and drags you away from the telly the value for money starts to drop. By stripping all but the football away in your argument you also show that things could be cheaper. My hypothetical sub covers the PL rights, the EFL rights, and the test cricket rights. That's fair enough. But I'm also paying for the F1 rights, the IPL, the NFL, the PGA tour, WWE, and all the other monstrous rights packages that Sky have, whether I watch them or not. If they let you pick your own bundle, or even just subscribe to a particular channel that would be fairer, but their business model is based on you paying for stuff you don't watch, even in their normal TV packages.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Zizou back in at Madrid
by pjbetman » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:37 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I don't even understand how Sky Sports is a ripoff. It's something like £25 a month and when you look at the amount of high quality content you get it's an absolute steal.

I don't care about F1, MotoGP, tennis, golf or rugby. If I still have to pay for all that unwanted stuff just to watch domestic football and England cricket tests it's a rip off.


Forget all the other sports. Forget cricket. Tell you what, forget the Football League.

There are usually, what, around 10 Premier League games a month, minimum? That's £2.50 per game, with all the highlights, analysis, discussion you could wish for.

If ~£2.50 per game (remember we're still ignoring everything else, the EFL, all other football, every other sport they show) is a rip off then I'd love to know how much you pay for a meal deal on your lunch break.


What about games that are on other channels? BT sport is extra.

And, you need to pay for the other standard channels before you can get sports, don't you? It's considerably more than £25 per month. More like £50.

It's not really a rip off...for residential customers. It's a massive rip off for the pubs/clubs that want to show it. It used to be that people didn't have a sky subs for sports because they'd watch it down the pub. It's too expensive to watch footy in the pub now because theyve all had to put their pint prices up to pay for massive sky subs. Sky have single handedly killed your local pubs off.

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by Pancake » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:48 am

Sky also bank on customers like me who would pay for a ton of content that they realistically don't have time to enjoy. I would probably manage to sit down for one PL game a month, if that. Even though the cost per game is much worse with Now TV, it's actually far more cost effective for me over the course of a year.

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by Zellery » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:00 am

It feels like the future will eventually be every club offering a streaming service to all of their games.

We’ve seen that fans will go to games regardless of whether there’s a televised option or not so that shouldn’t be deemed as a threat to offering everything in one place anymore.

Villa already have such a service like this in countries where their games aren’t televised.

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by Cuttooth » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:52 am

Dowbocop wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I don't even understand how Sky Sports is a ripoff. It's something like £25 a month and when you look at the amount of high quality content you get it's an absolute steal.

I don't care about F1, MotoGP, tennis, golf or rugby. If I still have to pay for all that unwanted stuff just to watch domestic football and England cricket tests it's a rip off.


Forget all the other sports. Forget cricket. Tell you what, forget the Football League.

There are usually, what, around 10 Premier League games a month, minimum? That's £2.50 per game, with all the highlights, analysis, discussion you could wish for.

If ~£2.50 per game (remember we're still ignoring everything else, the EFL, all other football, every other sport they show) is a rip off then I'd love to know how much you pay for a meal deal on your lunch break.

I calculate £3.33 per game if you factor in the three months of a twelve month subscription with no football, but I appreciate it was a back of the envelope sum to make a point. However, it's still the unlimited classes at the gym argument. It's great value if you do nothing but watch Sky Sports, but the second that pesky life thing gets in the way and drags you away from the telly the value for money starts to drop. By stripping all but the football away in your argument you also show that things could be cheaper. My hypothetical sub covers the PL rights, the EFL rights, and the test cricket rights. That's fair enough. But I'm also paying for the F1 rights, the IPL, the NFL, the PGA tour, WWE, and all the other monstrous rights packages that Sky have, whether I watch them or not. If they let you pick your own bundle, or even just subscribe to a particular channel that would be fairer, but their business model is based on you paying for stuff you don't watch, even in their normal TV packages.

Isn't this a similar kind of argument to ones against the license fee, where people ask why they're paying for BBC Asian Network when they would never listen to it?

The variety of a service is important, even if it means customers subsidising sports they wouldn't watch because they wouldn't be viable to broadcast if completely split out.

However! Sky and BT is obviously prohibitively more expensive than just £20-odd a month.

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by Photek » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:20 am

Pancake wrote:Sky also bank on customers like me who would pay for a ton of content that they realistically don't have time to enjoy. I would probably manage to sit down for one PL game a month, if that. Even though the cost per game is much worse with Now TV, it's actually far more cost effective for me over the course of a year.

I have all the sports channels and I get to watch every Liverpool match if it's going to be televised, if not I still catch the odd game so with that in mind, so yeah I don't mind having all the stations. Also have BT sport cos it comes free with Eir Broadband.

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by Dowbocop » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:11 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I don't even understand how Sky Sports is a ripoff. It's something like £25 a month and when you look at the amount of high quality content you get it's an absolute steal.

I don't care about F1, MotoGP, tennis, golf or rugby. If I still have to pay for all that unwanted stuff just to watch domestic football and England cricket tests it's a rip off.


Forget all the other sports. Forget cricket. Tell you what, forget the Football League.

There are usually, what, around 10 Premier League games a month, minimum? That's £2.50 per game, with all the highlights, analysis, discussion you could wish for.

If ~£2.50 per game (remember we're still ignoring everything else, the EFL, all other football, every other sport they show) is a rip off then I'd love to know how much you pay for a meal deal on your lunch break.

I calculate £3.33 per game if you factor in the three months of a twelve month subscription with no football, but I appreciate it was a back of the envelope sum to make a point. However, it's still the unlimited classes at the gym argument. It's great value if you do nothing but watch Sky Sports, but the second that pesky life thing gets in the way and drags you away from the telly the value for money starts to drop. By stripping all but the football away in your argument you also show that things could be cheaper. My hypothetical sub covers the PL rights, the EFL rights, and the test cricket rights. That's fair enough. But I'm also paying for the F1 rights, the IPL, the NFL, the PGA tour, WWE, and all the other monstrous rights packages that Sky have, whether I watch them or not. If they let you pick your own bundle, or even just subscribe to a particular channel that would be fairer, but their business model is based on you paying for stuff you don't watch, even in their normal TV packages.

Isn't this a similar kind of argument to ones against the license fee, where people ask why they're paying for BBC Asian Network when they would never listen to it?

The variety of a service is important, even if it means customers subsidising sports they wouldn't watch because they wouldn't be viable to broadcast if completely split out.

However! Sky and BT is obviously prohibitively more expensive than just £20-odd a month.

Alright Cal ;)

I wouldn't say it was a similar argument. The BBC, like it or loathe it, does perform an important job across the nation. Obviously living on Merseyside I'm not going to listen to BBC Radio Devon, but then I'm not going to expect a fire engine to travel up to Liverpool from Taunton either (well, give it time, Tories gonna Tory and all that!) They also provide important services to Welsh and Scottish viewers that commercial broadcasters clearly can't be relied upon to provide. To compare a mandatory fee for a public service broadcaster to the luxury of a premium channel package isn't fair in my opinion.

I'd also question whether, in the free market model that this Sky package seems to follow (we set as high a price as we can based on what people are willing to pay), that there should be any subsidising of less popular sports. If I want football give me football. Bollocks to the over-50s hula hoop league which can't generate its own viewer base, I don't care. Maybe if those sports wanted to increase interest, and therefore revenue, they should go free to air?

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2018-19 - Zizou back in at Madrid
by Tomous » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:03 am

Zellery wrote:Villa already have such a service like this in countries where their games aren’t televised.


So do Swansea. Most the Championship do I believe.

It's infuriating that someone in America can watch every game we play, but myself, someone who has supported the club for 25+ years but who no longer lives in Swansea and can't get to games as much anymore, can't.

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by Moggy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:17 am

Hopefully in the future we will just be able to subscribe for our teams games and then pay a little extra if we want to watch something else. That’s not going to happen while Sky and BT see football as essential parts of their business models.

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by Tomous » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:24 am

I would probably pay what Sky Sports charge purely for access to every Swan’s match to be honest.

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by Moggy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:39 am

Tomous wrote:I would probably pay what Sky Sports charge purely for access to every Swan’s match to be honest.


£20 a month directly to my club for access to every single match my club plays?

Yeah I would be tempted.

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by Zellery » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:48 am

Tomous wrote:
Zellery wrote:Villa already have such a service like this in countries where their games aren’t televised.


So do Swansea. Most the Championship do I believe.

It's infuriating that someone in America can watch every game we play, but myself, someone who has supported the club for 25+ years but who no longer lives in Swansea and can't get to games as much anymore, can't.

Yeah, exactly this. :(

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by Harry Ola » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:12 pm

Saw this on twitter. Arsenal do look like they have the best run in. Probably depends if they manage to turn the tie around on Thursday. If they go out, they will surely make Top 4.

After that, United have the hardest run in, but any one of Spurs, United or Chelsea could end up as the 4th team.

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by Kanbei » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:13 pm

United have 5 of their last 8 games at home though. Could be equally important.

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by Jenuall » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:35 pm

I'd say Arsenal have the easiest run in, but Tottenham are having a bit of a wobble so I can see them dropping a few more points that they would have otherwise bagged based on their form earlier in the season.

I think it will certainly be a close run thing.

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by Preezy » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:15 pm

Doesn't matter if United don't get top 4, because Ole's going to come on as a sub in the CL final against Bayern (sorry Photek) and get the winner :wub: :toot:

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by Drumstick » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:19 pm

Utd will make the top four. I could definitely see them winning every league match until City turn up to Old Trafford. Wolves (a) might be tricky but the OGS feel good factor will get them over the line. After City they've got 2/3 comfortable wins and Chelsea (h)... so really there's an argument to say 3/3 comfortable wins post-City. I think it'll be Spurs and Utd that round out the top 4.

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