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Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:54 pm
by Tomous
KK wrote:Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer's salaries really do now look awful, don't they.
You could replace both with Mark Chapman, Gabby Logan, Alex Scott, Jason Mohammad, Dan Walker and countless others - including new faces - and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to Match of the Day or accompanying programming, because nobody is tuning in for the person reading the autocue or the pundtry (as long as it's not complete arse). Content is king.
Andy Gray and Richard Keys were football on Sky Sports. Until they weren't. Adrian Chiles was MOTD2, The One Show and ITV football. Until he wasn't.
If they don't want to accept £300,000, strawberry float 'em. These people are so replaceable it's not even funny. If BT want to piss a load of customer's money up the wall on Michael Owen and Robby Savage then that's up to them.
Shearer isn't even a good pundit. He states the obvious and has zero personality.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:57 pm
by Rex Kramer
KK wrote:Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer's salaries really do now look awful, don't they.
You could replace both with Mark Chapman, Gabby Logan, Alex Scott, Jason Mohammad, Dan Walker and countless others - including new faces - and it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to Match of the Day or accompanying programming, because nobody is tuning in for the person reading the autocue or the pundtry (as long as it's not complete arse). Content is king.
Andy Gray and Richard Keys were football on Sky Sports. Until they weren't. Adrian Chiles was MOTD2, The One Show and ITV football. Until he wasn't.
If they don't want to accept £300,000, strawberry float 'em. These people are so replaceable it's not even funny. If BT want to piss a load of customer's money up the wall on Michael Owen and Robby Savage then that's up to them.
Maybe they have a BBC 5 a side team and that explains continuing to employ Shearer?
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:58 pm
by Drumstick
Tomous wrote:Shearer isn't even a good pundit. He states the obvious and has zero personality.
https://twitter.com/howalanseesit
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:58 pm
by Cuttooth
Poncho wrote:Lotus wrote:Watched a bit of the match last night. Penalty was laughably poor, and whoever was at LB was awful.
Hopefully the constant talk of "the lionesses" will die down now.
Hopefully this tournament generates even more discussion and coverage for women's football. And if it annoys a bunch of men who think the goals are too big or something, well then that's a bonus.
I'm worried it won't until someone like Sky, BT, or ideally BBC take a real punt on upping coverage of matches. A WMOTD might help.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:04 pm
by jawafour
I feel that the BBC has done a good job in promoting women's football over the past year or so. There has been more coverage on the sports website, a fair number of games shown live (on the website and on TV) and the World Cup coverage has been great.
I've gradually been turned off from men's football due to the increasing costs involved in watching matches, but the rise of the women's game has felt like a breath of fresh air.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:06 pm
by Photek
Tomous wrote:Shearer isn't even a good pundit. He states the obvious and has zero personality.
I thought the same but I heard highlights of his co-commentary on 5 Live of the Liverpool come back against Barca this season and he was pretty good tbh, full of energy and some decent punditry to boot.
I think Jenas is the worst, he talks calm but if you actually breakdown what he says, it's all complete nonsense.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:08 pm
by Blue Eyes
I like Shearer. He's improved a lot over the years and seems a good bloke, if a bit dumb. I couldn't give a strawberry float about what these banana splits are on either. They do a great job and it's a hard gig to do right.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:11 pm
by Preezy
Shearer has improved a lot as a pundit since the dark days of "if he shoots and it goes in then they've scored, Gary". Lineker is more than just the guy reading the autocue, he's a great host, much like Des Lynam was in his prime. Des
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:27 pm
by Spindash
Cuttooth wrote:Poncho wrote:Lotus wrote:Watched a bit of the match last night. Penalty was laughably poor, and whoever was at LB was awful.
Hopefully the constant talk of "the lionesses" will die down now.
Hopefully this tournament generates even more discussion and coverage for women's football. And if it annoys a bunch of men who think the goals are too big or something, well then that's a bonus.
I'm worried it won't until someone like Sky, BT, or ideally BBC take a real punt on upping coverage of matches. A WMOTD might help.
It needs to stay on the BBC if it's going to go anywhere. Unless you're the Premier League or the Championship, you might as well not exist in the national consciousness if you're on pay TV. Even the cricket World Cup has gone by almost unnoticed outside the core fans and it's in England.
Domestically, I don't foresee a long-term increase in attendances. There was a spike after the last World Cup but it tailed off. Clubs target families but the FA alienated them by switching to a winter season which also creates constant clashes with men's teams, most teams play in non-league grounds miles out of the way, and clubs can go weeks without a home game thanks to nonsensical scheduling.
Saying that, Euro 2021 is in England so if the FA can't capitalise on that...
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:30 pm
by Moggy
Spindash wrote:Cuttooth wrote:Poncho wrote:Lotus wrote:Watched a bit of the match last night. Penalty was laughably poor, and whoever was at LB was awful.
Hopefully the constant talk of "the lionesses" will die down now.
Hopefully this tournament generates even more discussion and coverage for women's football. And if it annoys a bunch of men who think the goals are too big or something, well then that's a bonus.
I'm worried it won't until someone like Sky, BT, or ideally BBC take a real punt on upping coverage of matches. A WMOTD might help.
It needs to stay on the BBC if it's going to go anywhere. Unless you're the Premier League or the Championship, you might as well not exist in the national consciousness if you're on pay TV. Even the cricket World Cup has gone by almost unnoticed outside the core fans and it's in England.
Domestically, I don't foresee a long-term increase in attendances. There was a spike after the last World Cup but it tailed off. Clubs target families but the FA alienated them by switching to a winter season which also creates constant clashes with men's teams, most teams play in non-league grounds miles out of the way, and clubs can go weeks without a home game thanks to nonsensical scheduling.
Saying that, Euro 2021 is in England so if the FA can't capitalise on that...
The Premier League is trying to take over WSL and so it will not be long before all football is behind a Sky/BT paywall.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48850853
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:32 pm
by Cuttooth
I actually forgot BT show live WSL matches when writing that. Their coverage of it seems so sporadic.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:42 pm
by PaperMacheMario
Cuttooth wrote:PaperMacheMario wrote:Cuttooth wrote:PaperMacheMario wrote:VAR is just causing more problems than it’s solving. Both the offside and the pen were such pedantic decisions that wouldn’t be given without VAR, and it just takes too long to sort out. Would be so gooseberry fool being in the crowd while it’s all going on.
The offside could and probably would have absolutely been given without VAR, assistant refs have to make an educated guess on that kind of thing and generally they get it right. VAR is ruining the game only in the sense that it makes everyone realise the laws of football aren't that great and highlights the inconsistency of refereeing decisions.
Yeah, I’d agree that it probably would have been given without VAR - I guess I just mean that the whole reason it came in was for ‘clear and obvious errors’, and that’s not actually what it’s being used for at all. Assistant referees are advised to not put their flags up to let play continue so that it can be brought back, but when you then have to review the goal it’s impossible to know if the assistant referee would have flagged or not. And that would be irrelevant now, as it’s now in the hands of the ref and VAR team looking at the footage. If the assistant ref would not have given that offside, then should the goal have stood? On the other side of the coin, if the assistant ref does flag after it goes in but the player is shown to be marginally on then does the original decision stand as it wasn’t a ‘clear and obvious error’?
It’s also ruining the game in taking the ecstasy and emotion out of scoring/conceding, both for the fans and the players. Run it on an appeal system like in tennis or have it in complete control over the whole game. The halfway house way that it’s currently acting as just isn’t the solution.
I don't understand why everyone omits "serious missed incidents" whenever they talk about VAR's purpose. It is only ever used for goals, penalties, red cards, and mistaken identity and realistically needs to be used during each instance of those otherwise you're using another level of subjectivity to 'correct' the ref's original subjective decision.
I can't see how VAR being used beyond those four things would be better overall if the flow of the game is already a concern, or what a team based quota achieves. In practice you'd either need a set amount to be used each match no matter what, like substitutions, which means you can't question the X+1 the game changing decision, or something like tennis where you only lose your challenge if you're 'wrong'. So you'd probably only use it on goals, penalties, and red cards.
I think the tennis system would be good too, as I said I just think the way it’s currently being handled is quite poor.
I also think if we do stick with VAR then the actual enjoyment of football will change completely, for the reasons I stated above. Having seen the way it’s been implemented in real life over the last couple of years, the only way it’s going to properly work and not ruin the spectacle of it is if decisions are made instantly... which is almost impossible. I couldn’t imagine going through what City fans went through when that Aguero goal got disallowed against Spurs in the CL - and it probably wouldn’t have happened with VAR as play would have been stopped by the assistant ref at the time of the actual offside.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:43 pm
by Wedgie
Buffon return to Juventus.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:47 pm
by PaperMacheMario
Poncho wrote:Lotus wrote:Watched a bit of the match last night. Penalty was laughably poor, and whoever was at LB was awful.
Hopefully the constant talk of "the lionesses" will die down now.
Hopefully this tournament generates even more discussion and coverage for women's football. And if it annoys a bunch of men who think the goals are too big or something, well then that's a bonus.
This. Misogynist gonna misogynist though.
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:03 pm
by KK
“CancelMUTV” is one of the top trends on Twitter tonight
twitter.com/glazersout1999/status/1146496347681513472
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:43 pm
by Cuttooth
Is there a reason why both semi-finals and the final are being played in Lyon?
Re: The Football Thread 2019/20: Rafa Bye-nitez
Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:39 pm
by Monkey Man
twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1146530545846947840