The Football Thread 2019/20: Style note to journalists: "VAR controversy" is a redundant phrase

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by Photek » Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:55 am

They make a complaint about the rag but also hire their chief football writer as a spin doctor...hmmm :?

Klopp won manager of the month, first time a manager has won it 5 times in a season. What a man. :wub:

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by Robbo-92 » Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:15 pm

We are giving possession away far too easily here :fp:

Good end to the first half though, Billy :datass:

Edit, crazy to think we’re 2 points off the top 4 :dread: obviously the rest of the top 6 (7?) still have a game in hand on us but you never know how the results will fall, just enjoying every single moment of this season so far :D

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by pjbetman » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:13 pm

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I’m no Man U fan but I hope they bankrupt the strawberry floaters.



That's pretty big if true. Must be if theyve got photos i suppose.

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by Saint of Killers » Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:50 pm

Eh? Bankrupt? :lol: All The Sun have to say is Yeah, we knew there was going to be a protest, but we had no idea it'd turn ugly, etc and that'll be the end of that. If Manchester United have concrete evidence then that's different, of course.

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by Blue Eyes » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:08 pm

Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?

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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:11 pm

I'm a little worried that Celtic's unbeaten cup run that's been ongoing since 2016 will come to an end shortly. St. Johnsone away lie in wait and they're well overdue a result; they've conceded 30 goals against Celtic since the last time they scored into them. :oops:

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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:12 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


There's a very insolent streak about him, that's for sure.

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:12 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:15 pm

Sorry for the triple post but I've never seen an own goal like the one I just watched Lyon score into themselves. It's the footballing equivalent of hitting your tag team partner with a steel chair and turning heel. No pressure on the defender whatsoever and he's just lashed it into his own net.

EDIT: Cheers Moggy. :lol:

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by Tomous » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:21 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:Sorry for the triple post but I've never seen an own goal like the one I just watched Lyon score into themselves. It's the footballing equivalent of hitting your tag team partner with a steel chair and turning heel. No pressure on the defender whatsoever and he's just lashed it into his own net.

EDIT: Cheers Moggy. :lol:



You weren't joking :lol:


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by Tomous » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:21 pm

Edit: double post

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by Blue Eyes » Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:22 pm

Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:38 am

Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.

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by Corazon de Leon » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:53 am

Tomous wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Sorry for the triple post but I've never seen an own goal like the one I just watched Lyon score into themselves. It's the footballing equivalent of hitting your tag team partner with a steel chair and turning heel. No pressure on the defender whatsoever and he's just lashed it into his own net.

EDIT: Cheers Moggy. :lol:



You weren't joking :lol:


https://streamja.com/ppp2


Genuinely never seen anything quite like it. :lol:

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by Moggy » Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:29 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -hate-word

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-nickname

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:17 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -hate-word

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-nickname


As I say it’s a complicated issue. I don’t use the term and think it’s best for non Jewish fans to not use it either. But Jewish fans are at odds with each other over it. Plus our owners are Jewish as well and appear happy with it.

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by Moggy » Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:45 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -hate-word

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-nickname


As I say it’s a complicated issue. I don’t use the term and think it’s best for non Jewish fans to not use it either. But Jewish fans are at odds with each other over it. Plus our owners are Jewish as well and appear happy with it.


Jewish Tottenham fans might be at odds with each other, but I think Jewish people in general are not happy with it.

As David Baddiel says, it would be unacceptable if it was the N word at a “Black” club, the P word at an “Asian” club or the F word at a “Gay” club. Why is the Y word any different?

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:04 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -hate-word

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-nickname


As I say it’s a complicated issue. I don’t use the term and think it’s best for non Jewish fans to not use it either. But Jewish fans are at odds with each other over it. Plus our owners are Jewish as well and appear happy with it.


Jewish Tottenham fans might be at odds with each other, but I think Jewish people in general are not happy with it.

As David Baddiel says, it would be unacceptable if it was the N word at a “Black” club, the P word at an “Asian” club or the F word at a “Gay” club. Why is the Y word any different?


Personally I think Yid does not have as negative a background behind it as the other words mentioned. From what I’ve read the term Yid does not have an offensive origin. Whilst the N was invented as a negative term. Yid is simply short for Yiddish.

For me a word in itself is not offensive, it’s the use of a word that can be offensive. A lot of people for some reason believe the C word is the most offensive word around. They just don’t like to hear it said, even if it’s not aimed at someone in a negative manner but just uttered. I Just don’t get that at all.

The difficulty when you add football into this is that some people are just having a go because of football rivalry.

If the owner of the football club describes himself as a ‘Yid’ which he has done before, I don’t know what you can do about it.

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by Moggy » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:12 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -hate-word

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... s-nickname


As I say it’s a complicated issue. I don’t use the term and think it’s best for non Jewish fans to not use it either. But Jewish fans are at odds with each other over it. Plus our owners are Jewish as well and appear happy with it.


Jewish Tottenham fans might be at odds with each other, but I think Jewish people in general are not happy with it.

As David Baddiel says, it would be unacceptable if it was the N word at a “Black” club, the P word at an “Asian” club or the F word at a “Gay” club. Why is the Y word any different?


Personally I think Yid does not have as negative a background behind it as the other words mentioned. From what I’ve read the term Yid does not have an offensive origin. Whilst the N was invented as a negative term. Yid is simply short for Yiddish.

For me a word in itself is not offensive, it’s the use of a word that can be offensive. A lot of people for some reason believe the C word is the most offensive word around. They just don’t like to hear it said, even if it’s not aimed at someone in a negative manner but just uttered. I Just don’t get that at all.

The difficulty when you add football into this is that some people are just having a go because of football rivalry.

If the owner of the football club describes himself as a ‘Yid’ which he has done before, I don’t know what you can do about it.


Three years ago, me and my brother Ivor made a short film for Kick Racism Out of Football called The Y-Word, which attempted to challenge the acceptability of the chanting of the word Yid (and other antisemitic chants) across a variety of London clubs. Last week the Football Association condemned the use of the word by fans, and this week it's been announced that the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust is to poll members about the continued used of the chant.

I welcome both these developments – although not as much as I welcome David Cameron weighing in on the other side of the argument by backing the right to chant: from a campaigning point of view, that's a dream come true. But the debate involves a number of misconceptions. Primary among these is the idea that it's all about Spurs. It isn't.

Our film was sparked by the behaviour of a Chelsea fan who, sitting a few seats behind me and Ivor one Saturday, decided to upgrade the chant – regularly heard at Stamford Bridge whenever anything Spurs-related comes up – to a more pointed one of "strawberry float the strawberry floating Yids! strawberry float the strawberry floating Jews!". The chant, and various antisemitic tropes which always grow out of it – involving hissing to represent gas and celebratory references to Auschwitz – exists far beyond White Hart Lane: at Chelsea, Arsenal, Millwall, West Ham, even at Ajax, in Amsterdam.

However, there is of course a particular issue with Tottenham, some of whose fans passionately feel the Y-word is part of their identity and that their chanting of it is wholly positive. I respect and acknowledge that. But here are the reasons why it is good that this is being addressed.

First, Spurs fans often tweet me, forcefully, to say that historically the chant was a response to antisemitic abuse levelled at them. That's as may be; but truly, it doesn't matter who started it. The fact is that whatever its origins, their continuing use of the Y-word legitimises and sustains the racist abuse aimed at Spurs by other fans. It's a call and response dynamic, like many at football matches. So the more Spurs do it, the more it comes back, with menaces. Many Chelsea fans who I have challenged feel they are justified because "the Yids is what Spurs call themselves".

Second, any campaign aimed at stopping the chanting of antisemitic abuse at football matches can't then say: "But of course it's OK for this one set of fans because they mean it nicely." It's simply not workable.

Third, most Spurs fans are not in fact Jewish: the club's "Jewishness" is just a historical association with the area. It's doubtful that more than 5% of those in the ground at home games are actual Jews (only 0.4% of the UK is Jewish, so 5% is way above average). So the reclamation argument does not apply, unless it's OK for a race-hate word to be reclaimed by people who do not own it. The equivalent case would be a club in Brixton made up mainly of white fans adopting the N-word as their "badge of honour". This, I think, would be stopped fairly quickly.

The last point is the key one. Let me say it again. Yid is a race-hate word. It was daubed across the East End by Oswald Moseley's Blackshirts, along with the word Out. The only possible reason why a culture that has tried to dismiss other race-hate words to the margins of language would consider it acceptable is if the racism of which it is a part is somehow less offensive, somehow less significant, than other racisms. Which must be, I guess, what a lot of people consciously or unconsciously think – if it had been the N-word or the P-word, it wouldn't have got past David Cameron's lips.

This, at heart, is what this is about for me. It's not, in the end, to do with football, however much it was sparked by the miserable experience of 30 years sitting as a Jew in football grounds listening to huge groups of non-Jews bat an insulting word for my race back and forth in an endless slanging match. It's about trying to ensure that there is a level playing field around offensiveness. Ideally, I would be very uninterested in banning any words. But if the race-hate words used to denigrate black or Asian people are to be banned or considered unacceptable, then the same should apply for the vocabulary aimed at Jews.

Because the truth is, up till now, that vocabulary has not been considered equivalently offensive. A friend of mine – a Watford fan who heard his fellow fans chanting the Y-word aggressively at Spurs fans once – was told, on complaining to a steward: "I don't hear any racism." This is all our campaign has been trying to do: make the racism heard, above the chanting.

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by Drumstick » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:24 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Personally I think Yid does not have as negative a background behind it as the other words mentioned.

With respect, your opinion is irrelevant to a degree. If there's Jews out there that do find it offense, the terms should cease to be used.

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