The Football Thread 2019/20: Pochettin-out

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:15 pm

I keep seeing that video. Looks like a crock of gooseberry fool if I'm honest.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Peter Crisp » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm

It's quite good and shows that all new tactics are pretty much just old tactics jumbled together.
It's not trying to say one tactic is inherently better or worse just that pretty much everything you could think of has been tried before.

I still think rush goalkeepers should be allowed though or the utter hilarity of first man back as seeing professionals do that would be great :slol: .

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:07 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:It's quite good and shows that all new tactics are pretty much just old tactics jumbled together.
It's not trying to say one tactic is inherently better or worse just that pretty much everything you could think of has been tried before.

I still think rush goalkeepers should be allowed though or the utter hilarity of first man back as seeing professionals do that would be great :slol: .


Isn't that kind of how tactics are made? Take the best bits, eject the worst bits, work to the strength of your players and form new ways of playing the game?

The bolded bit is just pure reductive thinking - they probably thought that in the 1950s, too.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Jenuall » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:32 pm

Yeah it's like the idea that there are "only 7 stories you can tell" or that music is just recycled because there are only so many notes/melodies.

Reduce anything down and yes you can make those arguments but the reality is that there is always nuance in the way you interpret, expand and re-purpose what may have gone before into something that is "new".

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Hyperion » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:33 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:It's quite good and shows that all new tactics are pretty much just old tactics jumbled together.
It's not trying to say one tactic is inherently better or worse just that pretty much everything you could think of has been tried before.

I still think rush goalkeepers should be allowed though or the utter hilarity of first man back as seeing professionals do that would be great :slol: .


Rush goalie is allowed?

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Jenuall » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm

Yeah nothing, other than sanity, preventing rush goalies from being used! Last man back goalies would be hilarious though.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by <]:^D » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:08 pm

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<]:^D wrote:Xhaka stripped of captaincy apparently
what a joke of a club Arsenal are :lol: :fp:

What else would you have done? I never would have made him captain in the first place. He talks a great game about a strong mentality and leadership but on the pitch he seems completely devoid of those qualities.

i would have taken him out of the team for a while, let things blow over and try and bring him back in.
taking the captaincy off him undermines him, undermines the team selecting him, and panders to the morons who booed and hissed at him

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by <]:^D » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:24 pm

on the football tactics bit, no, i think youre all quite wrong tbh. now the video isnt perfect and is quite reductionist, but the general trend towards less revolutionary shifts in formations and styles is definitely there.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:24 pm

Football takes years off your life sometimes. strawberry floating hell Celtic.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Photek » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:27 pm

Great match this, Celtic doing well going forward but Lazio good on the counter.

Cora I’ll be in bits on Sunday at about 4.. :dread:

That’s why we love football tho. :wub:

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Photek » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:30 pm

Eduard should have scored...

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Dowbocop » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:31 pm

<]:^D wrote:
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<]:^D wrote:Xhaka stripped of captaincy apparently
what a joke of a club Arsenal are :lol: :fp:

What else would you have done? I never would have made him captain in the first place. He talks a great game about a strong mentality and leadership but on the pitch he seems completely devoid of those qualities.

i would have taken him out of the team for a while, let things blow over and try and bring him back in.
taking the captaincy off him undermines him, undermines the team selecting him, and panders to the morons who booed and hissed at him

He already is out of the team: he hasn't played in the league since and I wasn't really expecting him to be involved this weekend (depends now on how bad Ceballos' hammy is, he might actually be needed). After that there's an international break so if he does miss Leicester it'll have been nearly a month since the incident before he plays for us again. Both parties probably need a bit of time out, because the midfield being built around Xhaka as captain isn't working. But you can't really have a situation where the captain is completely fit but sat on the bench because of his conduct.

I think you are playing down how unprofessional he was. If he'd done that to opposition fans he'd have an FA charge to answer (if I recall didn't Wilshere once get one after giving the Vs?). The initial reaction to his number going up was perhaps a bit unfair, because the frustration should really be more towards Emery. But then he started dawdling off when we were chasing a win and then started mouthing off when he got some abuse for not behaving in the team's best interests. That is not behaviour befitting a captain - your game is done, punch a wall in the dressing room if you like, but suck it up, get off the pitch and take one for the team. If he'd stayed on as captain after that the club would be called a joke as well, so it's a Catch-22 really.

How did you feel about Kepa's antics in the League Cup final?

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:44 pm

Photek wrote:Eduard should have scored...


Lazio could’ve gotten a few as well tbf. I think we could rue missed chances though...

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:47 pm

I’ve had to leave the room :lol:

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Photek » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:48 pm

OH MY GOD!

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:53 pm

Oh my God

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:54 pm

My brother’s at the game. Never seen anything like it. We’ve qualified for the knockouts with two games to spare I think. That’s crazy.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Photek » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:55 pm

Yep you have indeed qualified with 2 games left.

Lovely Dinked Finish.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Moggy » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:28 pm

Belgrade is having a really bad couple of days.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2019/20: Arsenal's turn to ride the gooseberry fool result rodeo
by Corazon de Leon » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:15 pm

Great game week for Glasgow though.

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