Re: The Football Thread 2020/21: Ronaldo's got the 'rona
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:18 pm
Maguire
Tomous wrote:DML wrote:Tomous wrote:DML wrote:£50million given to League 1 and 2. Sense at last.
Championship clubs excluded. I get it. Rich owners in the PL don't want to bail out rich owners in the Championship. There is going to be a few not in that situation who will struggle though.
Who? The situations can be in no way compared to the struggles of L1 and L2 clubs.
Eh? Why not? There are going to be Championship clubs relying on match day revenue that are going to struggle to make ends meet. Do you think every Championshion club has rich owners or something?
Tomous wrote:DML wrote:Tomous wrote:DML wrote:£50million given to League 1 and 2. Sense at last.
Championship clubs excluded. I get it. Rich owners in the PL don't want to bail out rich owners in the Championship. There is going to be a few not in that situation who will struggle though.
Who? The situations can be in no way compared to the struggles of L1 and L2 clubs.
Eh? Why not? There are going to be Championship clubs relying on match day revenue that are going to struggle to make ends meet. Do you think every Championshion club has rich owners or something?
Moggy wrote:Tomous wrote:DML wrote:Tomous wrote:DML wrote:£50million given to League 1 and 2. Sense at last.
Championship clubs excluded. I get it. Rich owners in the PL don't want to bail out rich owners in the Championship. There is going to be a few not in that situation who will struggle though.
Who? The situations can be in no way compared to the struggles of L1 and L2 clubs.
Eh? Why not? There are going to be Championship clubs relying on match day revenue that are going to struggle to make ends meet. Do you think every Championshion club has rich owners or something?
While it's true there are Championship clubs that rely on match day income, the difference in revenue between the Championship and L1/L2 is extraordinary.
That's a couple of years old, but I doubt it's changed in favour of L1/L2.
Tomous wrote:Preezy wrote:Wait wait wait wait, let me get this straight - Man United vs Newcastle is going to be on TV on Saturday, but only on Sky Box Office pay per view?
Are they having a laugh? So people pay for Sky, pay extra for the sports package and now they have to pay even more to watch certain games?
Greedy bastards.
Welcome to last week
Tomous wrote:Moggy wrote:Tomous wrote:DML wrote:Tomous wrote:DML wrote:£50million given to League 1 and 2. Sense at last.
Championship clubs excluded. I get it. Rich owners in the PL don't want to bail out rich owners in the Championship. There is going to be a few not in that situation who will struggle though.
Who? The situations can be in no way compared to the struggles of L1 and L2 clubs.
Eh? Why not? There are going to be Championship clubs relying on match day revenue that are going to struggle to make ends meet. Do you think every Championshion club has rich owners or something?
While it's true there are Championship clubs that rely on match day income, the difference in revenue between the Championship and L1/L2 is extraordinary.
That's a couple of years old, but I doubt it's changed in favour of L1/L2.
Revenue doesn't tell the full story though, Championship clubs will have much higher wages against that revenue.
Also, don't forget the revenue figure is inflated by parachute payments, there is probably a few £100m going to a handful of ex PL clubs in Championship in that figure.
But don't get me wrong, much of the Championship will be okay. But there will be a handful of clubs in the same boat as L1/L2 clubs, which was the original point I was making.
EFL clubs have started a discussion on a potential new approach to how revenue is distributed across the collective that, if adopted, could come into force from season 2019/20 onwards.
The proposals were presented to all 72 clubs at the Summer Conference 2018, and follows an agreement by the EFL Board that the matter of how the EFL shares the revenue it generates could be amended to increase the certainty of additional income for League One and League Two clubs if an agreed direction of travel can be reached.
The discussions considered the current distribution formula as outlined in the EFL’s Articles of Association and factored in the costs borne directly by teams in the Championship for Goal Line Technology and Select Group 2 Match Officials.
The opportunity to reassess the current model has arisen, in part, due to the need to determine how Domestic Streaming Revenue will be distributed in the long-term once the full value of the proposition is understood following its launch in 2018/19 and ahead of the new EFL broadcast deal coming into force in 2019/20.
Current projections for the distribution formula in 2019/20 based on the existing Articles, which are adjusted for RPI, have been calculated at 71.15% in the Championship, 17.16% in League One and 11.69% in League Two.
The EFL introduced two initial proposals that take into account the various income potential and expenditure factors and would look to fix the distribution formula at either the 2016/17 levels of 68.51% in the Championship, 18.7% League One and 12.79% in League Two OR move to a new split of 66.66% in the Championship, 20% in League One and 13.34% in League Two.
https://www.efl.com/news/2018/june/efl- ... 0-onwards/
Lex-Man wrote:I thought that most of the Championship teams were struggling because they were paying near Prem levels of wages but weren't getting as much money in. Lower down the leagues things are a bit more sustainable although people are still struggling.
Drumstick wrote:Listening to TalkSport (yes, I know) on the way to dropping my kid off at nursery and it's infuriating. Talking about the likes of Mings, Grealish, Coady, Philips etc like this new crop of top-tier internationals, like they've cemented their places already, ignoring that some regular squad members were either given rests or have injuries.
They are all way down the pecking order. England do have a lot of options at the moment, which is good, but very few of them fit into a category titled "top-tier".
a dan from grcade wrote:Drumstick wrote:Listening to TalkSport (yes, I know) on the way to dropping my kid off at nursery and it's infuriating. Talking about the likes of Mings, Grealish, Coady, Philips etc like this new crop of top-tier internationals, like they've cemented their places already, ignoring that some regular squad members were either given rests or have injuries.
They are all way down the pecking order. England do have a lot of options at the moment, which is good, but very few of them fit into a category titled "top-tier".
I know what you're getting at... but I'm not sure the pecking order is as robust as your post suggests; certainly not in the positions of the players you've mentioned.
Southgate (despite initially imposing himself as a manager capable of making the big decisions by dropping Rooney and Hart) won't drop Pickford, so GK is set.
You would presume Chilwell is 1st choice LB so long as he behaves himself.
Any sane person would have TAA at RB, but Gaz loves Walker and Trippier. So that's another three squad places gone.
Henderson is Liverpool captain so he's in.
Front three of Kane, Sterling and Sancho. Rashford MBE first choice replacement for any of them.
Outside of those players there aren't any givens. Henderson can't really play as the sole holding player. So ahead of Phillips you've only got Rice, who at international level certainly has been unconvincing. (Winks is more like Henderson - happy as a CM alongside a DM but uncomfortable holding solo.)
Ahead of Coady (who was good against Wales) you've got... Mings As he's been in and around the squad for a year now. Many of our other CB options that were previously established seem determined to sabotage their international chances.
And if our formation permits an attacking central midfield player then there's no reason Grealish shouldn't be first choice. Mount hasn't convinced me and is still very much a newbie. Barkley has made poor career choices. Maddison seems yesterday's man (Did he actually ever play for England?) Not too long ago it was a choice between Alli, Lingard or Cantwell for that role - none would be near the squad now. Loftus-Cheek should have gone out on loan 18 months ago, Hudson-Odoi should've pushed for his move to Germany. Foden messed up. And I think Southgate is genuinely a bit frightened by Shelvey.
I agree the new crop aren't established. But the question is... who is?
Psychic wrote:What is that nonsense about Henderson in that post? Suggesting he's only in the England squad because he captains Liverpool and that he can't play the holding role?
Buffalo wrote:Jordan Henderson is the mackem Pirlo.