The Football Thread 2020/21: Mods plz lock thnx bbz x

[Drumstick]

If Bournemouth win the playoffs, will it mark the first occasion where the three teams relegated from the Premier League and promoted form the Championship the season prior trade places again?

Sadly, Bournemouth would be the club I'd least like to see back in the PL, feels like they'd likely be yet another bottom-dweller. There's every chance the other three will be too but at least they haven't been in the PL for a while (or ever in Brentford's case) and would feel relatively fresh.

[Herdanos]

If Bournemouth win the playoffs, will it mark the first occasion where the three teams relegated from the Premier League and promoted form the Championship the season prior trade places again?

It would not, because Leeds have stayed up. Sheffield United were in the PL last season too.

[Herdanos]

However if Bournemouth do go up, it'll be the first time in the PL era that all 3 teams relegated the season before bounce straight back.

Unsure about the pre PL era as no statistics exist given that football didn't exist then either

[Oblomov Boblomov]

Won't be surprising to see relegated teams bouncing back up more frequently in future. A combination of FFP and parachute payments will do that.

[Benzin]

Barnsley or Brentford please.

Bad enough Watford are back. Horrible club.

[Tomous]

However if Bournemouth do go up, it'll be the first time in the PL era that all 3 teams relegated the season before bounce straight back.

Unsure about the pre PL era as no statistics exist given that football didn't exist then either

It depends how much PL clubs overreach really. When we went down we still owed vast sums in transfer payments and had to basically ship most the squad out. But if you go down without that and have suitable relegation clauses in contracts you can afford to do what Norwich did-keep your PL side intact, pay wages via parachute payments and cruise the league.

[Tomous]

Makes sense for United, he has been decent for them, especially recently.

Cavani is the most clinical striker in the league. The only issue I suppose is his age and has been prone to injury. No reason not to keep him for another season though.

[Ecno]

However if Bournemouth do go up, it'll be the first time in the PL era that all 3 teams relegated the season before bounce straight back.

Unsure about the pre PL era as no statistics exist given that football didn't exist then either

It depends how much PL clubs overreach really. When we went down we still owed vast sums in transfer payments and had to basically ship most the squad out. But if you go down without that and have suitable relegation clauses in contracts you can afford to do what Norwich did-keep your PL side intact, pay wages via parachute payments and cruise the league.

I think we benefited hugely by getting £40m in for an average LB and a young CB whose was good but because he was young we were able to replace with equal quality on the cheap in Ben Gibson. Also the 2 replacements (well 3 as we had 2 goes at LB), were replaced with very finance friendly loans with became buys on being promoted.

It also helps by having playing assets who are worth a fair amount, on conservative values it's probably £10m for Todd Cantwell, £15-20m for Max Aarons and £20-£30m for Emi Buendia.

We also used the Prem funds to upgrade our infrastructure, we've got a class new training facility, my understanding is that they'll be a touch more money to spend this time, (though we've already spent £15m on those loan to buys) as well as like most clubs having a Covid sized whole in the budget.

It be interesting to see going forward whether the PL clubs going straight back up will be the norm or an aberration over the next few seasons. There's usually underlying issues when a club is relegated, I think Norwich avoided those by keeping the same staff, have a young upwards squad and set up and spent wisely. Watford just have quality and maybe shouldn't have been relegated in the first place, but it did take a managerial change to get them promoted. I'm not sure Bournemouth will get through the playoffs.

Next season, I'd be surprised if Sheffield United went back on, there seems to be issues there? West Brom I can see Allardyce leaving in the summer, their new manager getting saced after 10 games, and then I don't know, the owner wants to sell. Fulham maybe come straight back up?

[Dowbocop]

I can't say I've watched them religiously but Fulham have done a lot better than I thought they would personally. After we tanked them on the first day I thought they'd be where Sheffield United are in terms of league position. Wouldn't be surprised to see them get an automatic place next year.

Luck's got to run out for Newcastle, Burnley or Brighton next season. If West Ham get European football (especially the Europa League) will they be able to cope? They're obviously where they are because of merit but, in the same way that I'm marginally hopeful that having weeknights off might focus Arsenal, is West Ham's squad really built for that level and regularity of football?

[Tomous]

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[Drumstick]

I'm biased but I don't believe our position is entirely indicative of the quality at our club.

A competent striker and we'd be comfortably mid-table.

[Tomous]

I can't say I've watched them religiously but Fulham have done a lot better than I thought they would personally. After we tanked them on the first day I thought they'd be where Sheffield United are in terms of league position. Wouldn't be surprised to see them get an automatic place next year.

Luck's got to run out for Newcastle, Burnley or Brighton next season. If West Ham get European football (especially the Europa League) will they be able to cope? They're obviously where they are because of merit but, in the same way that I'm marginally hopeful that having weeknights off might focus Arsenal, is West Ham's squad really built for that level and regularity of football?

I don't think it's fair to say Burnley have been lucky given the budgets they operate on. Dyche especially is arguably one of the best managers in the league, certainly if you looking at those who manage further down the table.

[Pancake]

I can't say I've watched them religiously but Fulham have done a lot better than I thought they would personally. After we tanked them on the first day I thought they'd be where Sheffield United are in terms of league position. Wouldn't be surprised to see them get an automatic place next year.

Luck's got to run out for Newcastle, Burnley or Brighton next season. If West Ham get European football (especially the Europa League) will they be able to cope? They're obviously where they are because of merit but, in the same way that I'm marginally hopeful that having weeknights off might focus Arsenal, is West Ham's squad really built for that level and regularity of football?

I don't think it's fair to say Burnley have been lucky given the budgets they operate on. Dyche especially is arguably one of the best managers in the league, certainly if you looking at those who manage further down the table.

I can't help but feel that Dyche and Burnley are a perfect fit, he is doing a grand job there but I'm sceptical how well he would do if he suddenly had a bigger club with a bigger budget and the higher expectations that come with it.

[Dowbocop]

"Luck running out" was meant as a turn of phrase rather than a suggestion that any of the clubs have been particularly lucky to stay up - "time" could be used as a synonym for my intended meaning.

[Tomous]

"Luck running out" was meant as a turn of phrase rather than a suggestion that any of the clubs have been particularly lucky to stay up - "time" could be used as a synonym for my intended meaning.

I'll allow time

[Lotus]

For some reason I quite like Fulham and wanted them to stay up. Slightly odd how little criticism Parker has come in for though, compared to other managers down the bottom. Hope they keep him though, they've played some good stuff at times. Main worry will be how many players they have on loan and keeping the squad together.

West Brom and Sheff Utd are no real loss though, both been awful for the most part.

Despite him playing for Man U, I can't help but like Cavani.

[Tomous]

Struggling to think who in West Brom and Sheff Utd apart from Matheus Pereira will be in the Premier League next season. Very few standouts.

[Robbo-92]

I doubt Sheffield United will even get back up next season, we are just looking awful at the moment, it’s saying something when our best player is probably our keeper and even they’ve been made to look a lot worse (statistically) by our woeful defence and complete lack of offensive line up. Reckon it might be a long couple of seasons for us to be honest.

[Rex Kramer]

I doubt Sheffield United will even get back up next season, we are just looking awful at the moment, it’s saying something when our best player is probably our keeper and even they’ve been made to look a lot worse (statistically) by our woeful defence and complete lack of offensive line up. Reckon it might be a long couple of seasons for us to be honest.

Particularly if your £20M striker has just strawberry floated over his career.

[Robbo-92]

I doubt Sheffield United will even get back up next season, we are just looking awful at the moment, it’s saying something when our best player is probably our keeper and even they’ve been made to look a lot worse (statistically) by our woeful defence and complete lack of offensive line up. Reckon it might be a long couple of seasons for us to be honest.

Particularly if your £20M striker has just strawberry floated over his career.

We need rid of him, stuff like this is a liability even if he was getting goals week in, week out but like so many players this year he’s just not performed at all for the majority of the season. This is then compounded by our £23 million striker who can’t score in the premiership either.

Also another thought, alongside Ramsdale, McGoldrick has been one of our standout players this year, a free signing being our most consistent goal scorer this season when we have goodness knows how many millions worth of ‘talent’ up front in the likes of Mousset (although he has been injured/out of action for a chunk of this season), McBurnie and Brewster. This season has been a shambles for us and without Wilder I just don’t see us getting out of it for a while.