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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Pancake » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:00 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:I thought Klopp's response was fine. Confirmed he didn't agree with it and reaffirmed his commitment to his players. Guardiola's condemnation is also lovely.

Agreed. Pleased to see both of them show some spine, unlike Tuechel. I hope Ole and Arteta show the same spine.

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by Cuttooth » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:01 pm

Pancake wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I thought Klopp's response was fine. Confirmed he didn't agree with it and reaffirmed his commitment to his players. Guardiola's condemnation is also lovely.

Agreed. Pleased to see both of them show some spine, unlike Tuechel. I hope Ole and Arteta show the same spine.

I expect Arteta will try to copy Guardiola with a few words changed, but will manage to instead come across as a ringing endorsement of Arsenal's place in the new ESL.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by KK » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Guardian wrote:Boris Johnson has promised football groups that the government will consider using what he called “a legislative bomb” to stop English clubs joining a breakaway European Super League, as official efforts to thwart the plan were stepped up.

Guardian ...AND IT'S LIVE! - “If Boris Johnson is so minded,” says Geof Walker, “he only needs to bring forward a short bill banning any football in England other than matches organised by the FA. Such laws are already in place in France and Germany. That would oblige the owners to expatriate their franchises.”

Yes, I wonder if that’s the end goal – matches all over the world played by clubs with no serious geographical base. At that point, I think there’s a strong chance the players refuse to get involved.


The prime minister and Oliver Dowden, the sports and culture secretary, held a meeting with the heads of the Football Association and Premier League, as well as representatives of fans’ groups from Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur, three of the clubs involved.

At one point, according to sources, Johnson told the event: “We should drop a legislative bomb to stop it – and we should do it now.”

According to a formal No 10 statement, the prime minister told the online meeting that he would give “unwavering support” to football authorities over the issue, and condemned the ESL’s “closed shop” plan, under which 15 of the 20 league members would have permanent status, and be free from the risk of relegation.

Downing Street said Johnson “was clear that no action is off the table and the government is exploring every possibility, including legislative options, to ensure these proposals are stopped”.

Separately, No 10 confirmed that ministers would consider cutting off support for breakaway clubs in areas such as work visas for overseas players and the policing of matches as a way to exert pressure.

Johnson’s spokesperson declined to specify what possible moves could be taken, saying: “I don’t think you would expect me to have full, worked-out detail one day after that. But we’ve been clear that we are exploring a range of options, including legislative ones.”

Asked if areas such as work visas and policing were being considered, he said: “All these options are on the table at the moment.”

Addressing MPs on Monday, Dowden said the government’s first hope was that football authorities could stop the six English clubs – the other ones to sign up were Arsenal, Manchester City and Chelsea – from joining the midweek league alongside teams from Spain and Italy.

If that failed, Dowden had said, one option would be to refer the matter to competition authorities over the league’s non-competitive element, with only five of the planned 20 participants being selected annually on merit.

The Competition and Markets Authority watchdog has said it would carefully consider the proposals for the super league, after Labour pressed for an investigation over whether the plans would breach laws to uphold fairness.

Other options include the withdrawal of official support, or longer-term measures to change the governance and ownership structures of English football, potentially including a rule like that used in Germany whereby fans’ groups are guaranteed a majority stake in clubs. No German sides have signed up to the ESL.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Rex Kramer » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:06 pm

Preezy wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I thought Klopp's response was fine. Confirmed he didn't agree with it and reaffirmed his commitment to his players. Guardiola's condemnation is also lovely.

Oh god, Ole is going to completely strawberry float it isn't he :lol: :fp:

I'd imagine some of these managers have half an eye on their future employability at Europe's top clubs so that's probably not something Ole needs to worry about.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Hypes » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:08 pm

KK wrote:
Guardian wrote:Boris Johnson has promised football groups that the government will consider using what he called “a legislative bomb” to stop English clubs joining a breakaway European Super League, as official efforts to thwart the plan were stepped up.

[i]Guardian ...AND IT'S LIVE! - “If Boris Johnson is so minded,” says Geof Walker, “he only needs to bring forward a short bill banning any football in England other than matches organised by the FA.

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by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:09 pm

Preezy wrote:Ooh I take it back, fair play Pep.

Although saying that - they keep saying they don't have all the information, how the strawberry float has he not been on the phone to the owners as soon as he'd finished his egg & soldiers this morning getting all the information? :lol:


I'm guessing the owners won't say anything because they're terrified of leaks. If he asked he be told they have nothing to announce.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:10 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Pancake wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:I thought Klopp's response was fine. Confirmed he didn't agree with it and reaffirmed his commitment to his players. Guardiola's condemnation is also lovely.

Agreed. Pleased to see both of them show some spine, unlike Tuechel. I hope Ole and Arteta show the same spine.

I expect Arteta will try to copy Guardiola with a few words changed, but will manage to instead come across as a ringing endorsement of Arsenal's place in the new ESL.


I dunno why but this broke me, was proper cackling at the screen after reading it. :lol:

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Preezy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:12 pm

Pep wrote:"We are going to play the Champions League next week and try to reach the final and next year we are going to play European competition because we deserve it, we won it on the pitch.

"We did our job and after the right people have the obligation the duty to clarify as soon as possible, clarify all around the world why this teams play and the others not, Ajax with four Champions League's are not there.

Hopefully Ajax declined to join rather than not be considered big enough.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Cuttooth » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:13 pm

twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM/status/1384492077149417478



It's the Mail so who knows.

Do the club captains have a meeting every now and then?

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Tomous » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:13 pm

Boris missed a month of COBRA meetings when Covid kicked off.

Football in crisis? He's at an emergency meeting the next day.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Tomous » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:14 pm

Cuttooth wrote:

twitter.com/MikeKeegan_DM/status/1384492077149417478



It's the Mail so who knows.

Do the club captains have a meeting every now and then?



There's a Whatsapp group I believe....


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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Cuttooth » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:15 pm

I wonder who does the minutes?

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Tomous » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:18 pm

Cuttooth wrote:I wonder who does the minutes?



Billy Sharpie

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Preezy » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:19 pm

twitter.com/MarcusRashford/status/1384494671129301002



It begins :nod:

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by KK » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:28 pm

The Times wrote:At least one of the ‘big six’ English clubs is considering whether to withdraw from the new Super League after being taken aback by the volume of opposition, including from their own fans.

Although Super League insiders insist that all 12 are committed to the project, The Times understands that at least one English club is having emergency internal discussions on the best way forward, with some of the executives deeply concerned about alienating their fans.

Uefa has left the door open for any of the 12 Super League clubs to change their minds, and its president Aleksander Ceferin this morning made a direct approach to the English clubs specifically.

“What matters is that there is still time to change your mind. Everyone makes mistakes in life. English fans deserve to have you correct your mistake. They deserve respect,” Ceferin said.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Drumstick » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:29 pm

Can always rely on Sir Marcus of Rashford. What a top bloke.

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by Corazon de Leon » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:30 pm

Tomous wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I wonder who does the minutes?



Billy Sharpie


:lol:

Incredibly underrated bit of chat here.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Drumstick » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:38 pm

[ Juventus FC] Andra Pirlo: "Super League? The president talked to us this morning, he's very busy. It's definitely a development for the world of football but I'm not the best person to explain it. The president will do it, just as the other presidents are doing."

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Lotus » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:38 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The idea of punters from all corners of the globe, from where this money is to be made, actively and consistently supporting our big teams is just so weird to me. I know it already happens, but I just don't understand it :lol: I wouldn't in a million years become an actual 'fan' of some club based in a city that would take me two flights to get to. What on earth is the appeal?!

Perhaps not directly linked to this, but something I've noticed is that increasingly fans in countries without established teams and leagues tend to latch onto a player and support and follow them, rather than the club itself. I noticed it with Villa when we signed Trezeguet and Samatta - there was suddenly a massive influx of fans from Africa on social media, etc (which is unfortunately where a lot of the anti-semetic and other abuse online has come from, but that's a separate issue). I guess those fans 'support' Villa at the moment the player's with the club, but as soon as Samatta left there was a lot of hate from those same 'fans', and I imagine they now support Fenerbache in Samatta's case, and will probably follow Trezeguet onto wherever he goes after Villa. Probably the same for the likes of Salah and Mane as well, to some extent.

There are probably huge audiences in the US, China, Malaysia, Indonesia, South America, etc where they don't have a link to a particular team, but will happily support a player, wherever they go. It's probably not just those fans in countries without big clubs or leagues either. I imagine some younger football fans are more interested in some of the star names themselves rather than clubs, and would rather follow the big names than follow clubs through good times and bad times.

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PostRe: The Football Thread 2020/21: European Super Greed #secessionistclubs
by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:38 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:I wonder who does the minutes?



Billy Sharpie


:lol:

Incredibly underrated bit of chat here.


Well he is good at taking things down.

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