The Football Thread 2021/22: England thrown to Hungary lions

Parksey wrote:
DML wrote:
GrinWithoutaKat wrote:I don't think he's really done better than anyone previously. Just got nicer fixtures than anyone previously. People act like embarrassing exits are the norm for England, but Iceland was the only one in ages. 2014, knocked out by a very good Italy side and a good Uruguay side that had considerably home advantage in the South American climate. 2012 knocked out by a very good Italy side, and 2010 by a very good German side. Think England should have actually expected to beat both Croatia in 2018 and Italy in 2021, more than they should have beaten any of those previous sides. The German win in 2021 was at least good, but the World Cup in 2018 they absolutely beat nobody of the caliber that usually knocks them out.

I think people underestimate beating Denmark last time, they are surely at the moment dark horses to win the World Cup. They looked really excellent before they played us and gave us a really tough game.

2002 was the year we should have won it. Beat Brazil (who I don't think were at the height of their powers, not far off mind) and we would have taken that World Cup.

Yep, 2002 was there for the taking. Brazil weren't great - the 98 side was arguably better - but were the most consistent side in the tournament. And the tournament was pretty dire in terms.of quality.

We were beating Brazil 1-0 until just before half time, when Beckham (rushed back from injury) leapt out of tackle and they hit us on the break. We were knocked out by a fluke goal/terrible goalkeeping.

Had we progressed, we'd have played Turkey in the semi final and Germany in the final. We would later go on and play Turkey in 2003 for Euro 2004 qualifying and we beat them at home and drew 0-0 away (in a game where a draw meant we would top the group).

The Germany side was probably one of the worst finalists in living memory and was seen as the dying embers of some.of the great 90s sides. The final was in July 2002, and we'd beat them 5-1 in qualifying in September the previous year.

I take umbridge with the idea with some of the previous WC results being okay. WC 2010 does not get a pass because we got knocked out by Germany (who I think got knocked out themselves next round). The group stage was absolutely sure - 1-1 with the USA, 0-0 with Algeria and a very fortunate 1-0 win against Slovenia.

Our group games in the Euros were decent. Beating Czech Republic and Croatia is decent, and a draw with Scotland was okay, in what is effectively a fiery derby.

We also have to remember that in literally every tournament since beating Ecuador in WC 2006, we've been eliminated in our first knockout game I think? Southgate has won 5. And the two he hasn't won, one went to extra time and one to penalties.

Now, I don't think his record is without criticism - both of those games, we sat back and tried to defend a 1-0 lead. We went too deep, got too nervous and too passive. But in both, we had chances where we arguably should have scored a second (think it was Kane before times too?).

He's earned the right to have a go at this World Cup. If we badly underperform, then the FA should have a look at his position and see if they can make a change. It probably would be a good time to make a change (3 tournaments is a lot, and more than most get).

I'm fairly certain it was scholes that leapt out of the challenge

Definitely Becks. There was talk at the time it was because he didn't feel his foot was recovered enough after the injury.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Psychic wrote:What are this thread's expectations from England this winter?

Third in the group behind Wales and the USA

This. Maybe even 4th behind Iran too!

Fixtures are out, so new thread is up - https://grcade.co.uk/t:the-football-thread-202223-winter-world-cup-edition?f=7

Ste wrote:Definitely Becks. There was talk at the time it was because he didn't feel his foot was recovered enough after the injury.

Definitely scholes, there's a challenge in the middle of the park which then causes Brazil to break away and score.

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Herdanos wrote:
Psychic wrote:What are this thread's expectations from England this winter?

The brutal schedule decimates player welfare. England go to the tournament with far from the strongest first team but a decent squad overall, with several players making the cut who've not played club football in some months due to a spate of injuries. The air conditioned stadia lead to a surge in Covid among some squads. The WHO take an unnecessarily long time to declare the new strain, leading to some funster on Twitter labelling it the VARiant. We reach the final, with Rashford and Alli sharpest of all, fresh from a complete lack of football. They defeat the aching heroes of Wales, who surprised many to get so far, led by their talismanic captain, who shunned the offers of British clubs to turn out for the Qatari Hyper League in preparation. Sadly Gareth forgets that the golf courses aren't air conditioned and comes down with heatstroke days before the game. The Notorious P.A.G.E. reacts with fury and hands Kieffer Moore the armband. Aaron Ramsey misses three penalties. Harry Kane refuses to lift the trophy and instead reveals a T Shirt dedicated to those workers who died building the infrastructure. Souness is furious: why didn't Paul Pogba do anything?

This needs more love :lol:

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It really does! Herdanos got shafted by the thread change.

twitter.com/bryansgunn/status/1614161673769652224

Le Tissier and Dublin :lol:

Moggy why didn't you post this in the proper football thread?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64275576

Lucky escape for the board, imagine watching Everton and getting murdered on the same day :dread:

Dowbocop wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64275576

Lucky escape for the board, imagine watching Everton and getting murdered on the same day

The latter would be sweet relief to the former to be fair

How can that first Man United goal have stood? Rashford was clearly offside and deliberately shielding the ball. Maybe the rules indicate that it was a goal... but, man, the offside/interference rules and interpretations suck.

man city should be getting an FA fine for surrounding the ref, but they wont as they are not wearing Arsenal shirts

All I can say about that first Utd goal is I'd be strawberry floating furious if I was a City fan! :lol:

Jenuall wrote:All I can say about that first Utd goal is I'd be strawberry floating furious if I was a City fan!

If the rules allow that now then strikers can have a bit of fun with it.

How is this thread still open, and not archived?

jawa_ wrote:How can that first Man United goal have stood? Rashford was clearly offside and deliberately shielding the ball. Maybe the rules indicate that it was a goal... but, man, the offside/interference rules and interpretations suck.

You have to play the ball or interfere with an opponent playing the ball to be offside

Running alongside the ball like Rashfodd did is technically fine aslong as he doesn't touch it or stop a City player playing it (which he didn't).

Rules are a bit daft I agree, clearly Rashford is involved and influencing how the City players react.

Mods, lock this one up and send it to the dungeons :capnscotty:

Looks like this might be Arsenal's year :shock:

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