The Football Thread 2021/22: England thrown to Hungary lions

[Captain Kinopio]

We are there for the taking. Young boys are going to thrash that faker Ollie and his squad of pushovers.

Thrashed by Young Boys.
That's Moggy's favourite weekend pursuit.

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[Tomous]

I thought Wilshere had hit rock bottom but he's found a way where he can sink even lower, bravo

FTFY

[Tomous]

We are there for the taking. Young boys are going to thrash that faker Ollie and his squad of pushovers.

Thrashed by Young Boys.
That's Moggy's favourite weekend pursuit.

Oh dear

[Abacus]

Abacus is right, Newcastle should be beating Man Utd away

The thing is, Man Utd are absolutely rubbish and are there to be taken down whilst Ole is the manager.

They themselves also have far better players and are hamstrung by a fool who is in charge.

Newcastle are in the relegation zone now, deservedly, so it's not just this game. We have a human blood clot in charge, who sets us up in a defeatist way because he knows he is out of his depth and is waiting for a pay off.

Compare that to Wolves last week - 9 times out of 10 they would win that game.

Us? Just circling the drain with a defeatist coward who openly admits to not believing in tactics in charge. He is the perfect Mike Ashley manager - grateful to be in the job, and with no intention to even compete.

Last season’s second place finishers are “there for the taking?” Come on now.

That was an exaggeration, admittedly. However, the previous week, wolves should have stuffed them, as their midfield is all over the place under Ole. And Newcastle finished above Wolves last season, so (and I do know this is not how it works), we shouldn't have gone there expecting the pumping that we duly got.

Plus, I think you should go into any game telling your team they can win, not Bruce's defeatist rubbish, as if you should be delighted to grace the same pitch, which he does with every team he plays against.

He's a lower league championship manager at the very best.

[Abacus]

Abacus is right, Newcastle should be beating Man Utd away

The thing is, Man Utd are absolutely rubbish and are there to be taken down whilst Ole is the manager.

They themselves also have far better players and are hamstrung by a fool who is in charge.

Newcastle are in the relegation zone now, deservedly, so it's not just this game. We have a human blood clot in charge, who sets us up in a defeatist way because he knows he is out of his depth and is waiting for a pay off.

Compare that to Wolves last week - 9 times out of 10 they would win that game.

Us? Just circling the drain with a defeatist coward who openly admits to not believing in tactics in charge. He is the perfect Mike Ashley manager - grateful to be in the job, and with no intention to even compete.

With this level of analysis you're going to fit in in this thread. What utter shite that is.

Young boys 2-1

Ole is not a good manager.

Him and Bruce, like every ex Alex Ferguson player, can't manage for toffee and are given chance after chance above their ability.

[Cuttooth]

He's a lower league championship manager at the very best.

He has the joint highest number of promotions into the top flight.

[Abacus]

Here is a genuine Steve Bruce ( the stupidest man alive) quote re social media.

"I was talking with my son about abuse a referee was getting & he said ‘Dad, it’s nothing compared to what you get.’ I looked & was like ‘wow’. But on the flip side social media got me my dog back after it ran away from a Firework display."

Who the hell takes their dog to a fireworks display?

He's a bad knobhead. How da strawberry float he gets a job at these clubs is unfathomable. He's never got a team higher than about 14th, never got past the first round of the EFL and has been relegated about 19 years out of 20. And he earns about 2-3 million per year.

Btw, have you heard about his book, Striker? Diabolical. They had it read out on talk sport a while ago - hilariously bad.

I have read both Striker and Sweeper. He's as thick as he looks, and as he talks.

But I have listened to him describe, in a press conference, how he decided the Newcastle line up whilst sat on the toilet. Classy. And how, whilst sat on sat on said toilet, he thought "wow wow" this club used to have Alan Shearer.

Whilst I don't want to hear any manager's toilet ruminations, it's exactly what we expect from this busted sausage.

He blamed the fact he got thrown out of Sunderland on the fact he was a Newcastle fan. He isn't and he wasn't. It's because he was hopeless and on a massive losing streak that helped put them where they are now.

He blamed Villa hating him for being at Birmingham. It wasn't. It's because he had a Villa team with Abraham and Grealish in midtable championship, but he loves his excuses. The minute he leaves, they're promoted and suddenly, one season in, Newcastle are in a 'different league' to top half Villa, despite the fact he spent over £100m.

He's a talentless fraud, but supported by multiple media friends who don't challenge his record of achieving nothing, making excuses, and moving to the next payday. Lovely bloke, every one of his media mates say.

Despite the fact he walked away from Sheff Wed about a week before the season started to join Newcastle, claimed he was happy with the set up, and is now crying about. Hoping for a pay off, and one last money job for anyone gullible enough to employ someone who both claims to not do tactics, and then also tell you how he thought about them on the toilet.

[Preezy]

In Soviet Switzerland the young boys beat you!

Such a shitty start to the CL campaign, hopefully this doesn't derail the good start they've made in the league.

[Denster]

Poor result from a great start. No complaints whatsoever at the red. Poorly timed and dangerous challenge. Yet against a limited team we demonstrated an inability to keep the ball and our composure and invited them on. Trying to preserve the win and then preserve the draw cost us.
Yes we had ten men but we had the quality available to do the job and we failed. For that we can apportion to some blame to Ole.
This is a make or break or season for him i feel. He has to solve the middle of the park problem and get the balance right.
Its early days so no need to panic but there are clear signs of an issue needing resolution.

Its on the gaffer to solve it.
If he doesn't we can start to debate with our newest member as to how right he is.

[Abacus]

Ah look, I don't mean to come across as obnoxiously as I have. Either way it's the middle of the park that is wrong, which is no great insight.

Look at your team sheet and it's terrifying, but the midfield is a puzzle that needs fixing. It's been said for so long, but a proper defensive midfielder is what you've been lacking. Fine, a Keane or a Kante doesn't come around every day, but still.

I'm pretty sure against Wolves that's where Pogba was being played, despite creating a couple of assists further up the field in the first couple of games. He's not suited there anyway, which is why Traore caused so many problems. You can't just slot square pegs in round holes

Hey ho, as you say, give Solksjaer some time to get it right, but there's a proper team in there. Top of the league right now fair enough, fair enough. Bit even if you look at his subs tonight, you have to wonder if a more experienced manager could have closed out a draw better.

Meh, I'll leave it, and get back to slagging off the pile of slapped ham that is Steve Bruce.

[Corazon de Leon]

Abacus is right, Newcastle should be beating Man Utd away

The thing is, Man Utd are absolutely rubbish and are there to be taken down whilst Ole is the manager.

They themselves also have far better players and are hamstrung by a fool who is in charge.

Newcastle are in the relegation zone now, deservedly, so it's not just this game. We have a human blood clot in charge, who sets us up in a defeatist way because he knows he is out of his depth and is waiting for a pay off.

Compare that to Wolves last week - 9 times out of 10 they would win that game.

Us? Just circling the drain with a defeatist coward who openly admits to not believing in tactics in charge. He is the perfect Mike Ashley manager - grateful to be in the job, and with no intention to even compete.

With this level of analysis you're going to fit in in this thread. What utter shite that is.

Young boys 2-1

Ole is not a good manager.

Him and Bruce, like every ex Alex Ferguson player, can't manage for toffee and are given chance after chance above their ability.

They had a player sent off after half an hour away from home and lost in the last minute, not exactly the worst possible outcome was it?

I mean for strawberry float’s sake, I don’t want to defend Man United and you’re making me come very close to doing it.

[Abacus]

Abacus is right, Newcastle should be beating Man Utd away

The thing is, Man Utd are absolutely rubbish and are there to be taken down whilst Ole is the manager.

They themselves also have far better players and are hamstrung by a fool who is in charge.

Newcastle are in the relegation zone now, deservedly, so it's not just this game. We have a human blood clot in charge, who sets us up in a defeatist way because he knows he is out of his depth and is waiting for a pay off.

Compare that to Wolves last week - 9 times out of 10 they would win that game.

Us? Just circling the drain with a defeatist coward who openly admits to not believing in tactics in charge. He is the perfect Mike Ashley manager - grateful to be in the job, and with no intention to even compete.

With this level of analysis you're going to fit in in this thread. What utter shite that is.

Young boys 2-1

Ole is not a good manager.

Him and Bruce, like every ex Alex Ferguson player, can't manage for toffee and are given chance after chance above their ability.

They had a player sent off after half an hour away from home and lost in the last minute, not exactly the worst possible outcome was it?

I mean for strawberry float’s sake, I don’t want to defend Man United and you’re making me come very close to doing it.

But OK, I never quite understand this argument.

It was a deserved sending off, so from that point you then can't complain or make excuses about it - I'd have far more sympathy if it was a dodgy one or a refereeing mistake.

It wasn't, so from that moment on, you have to manage the game. This being a team Man U were expected to beat fairly routinely, so that was a pretty bad outcome.

To concede in the last minute can always happen, but if you've got to that point you need to be able to close it down, take the point and get away. Putting Martial on was a daft substitution, imo.

Anyhoo.

[Abacus]

I know I said Anyhoo about the sending off, but.

My take on it is this; it's a bit like when a football fan says - we'd have definitely won that game 1-0, if it wasn't for the other two goals they scored that put us at a disadvantage and so we therefore unluckily lost 2-1 instead. Or the game would have been different, if only...

I know nobody has made that argument, but sendings off are part & parcel of the game, just like goals are.

I suppose, likewise, so is bad luck, which it could be as well. This time.

[Abacus]

Unless you're Steve Bruce, in which case bad luck follows you around like someone chasing you out of a kebab shop ordering you to take your complimentary salad away

[Denster]

Ah look, I don't mean to come across as obnoxiously as I have. Either way it's the middle of the park that is wrong, which is no great insight.

Look at your team sheet and it's terrifying, but the midfield is a puzzle that needs fixing. It's been said for so long, but a proper defensive midfielder is what you've been lacking. Fine, a Keane or a Kante doesn't come around every day, but still.

I'm pretty sure against Wolves that's where Pogba was being played, despite creating a couple of assists further up the field in the first couple of games. He's not suited there anyway, which is why Traore caused so many problems. You can't just slot square pegs in round holes

Hey ho, as you say, give Solksjaer some time to get it right, but there's a proper team in there. Top of the league right now fair enough, fair enough. Bit even if you look at his subs tonight, you have to wonder if a more experienced manager could have closed out a draw better.

Meh, I'll leave it, and get back to slagging off the pile of slapped ham that is Steve Bruce.

Perhaps should have led with that insight. Nothing wrong with criticism and that youve just said is valid but throwing out nonsense or facile statements is not going to get your opinion taken seriously.


Celtic and Blackburn are shite though. Ask Cora.

[Buffalo]

Here to troll-quote Denster but have been beaten by 12 hours already and by about 3 people! strawberry float sake.

[Corazon de Leon]

Yeah, historically terrible clubs. It's utterly horrible to win twelve consecutive trophies, for example. I hated every second.

Nobody likes straw man arguments Abacus, and you led with basically "Lol United lost 2-1 Ole is terrible" then changed to "oh but the sending off was deserved so that's fine," which is not the same thing. There isn't much you can do as a manager to mitigate against a player having a moment of madness and leaving the rest of the team having to cope with a significant disadvantage for two thirds of the game.

His substitutions might not have been strong but it's both unfair and twisting an event to suit your needs to argue that he's a bad gaffer off the back of it. I could do the same thing and say Eric Bailly once got sent off for United in 2018 and they still won the game 4-1 so Ole must be fantastic. The fact they were 4-1 up and only had ten minutes to play is immaterial.

[Moggy]

They had a player sent off after half an hour away from home and lost in the last minute, not exactly the worst possible outcome was it?

I know you are a Blackburn fan and so maybe don't understand what winning is, but losing is the worst possible outcome in a football match.

[sawyerpip]

I think Ronaldo summed up the situation at Man United fairly well:

"Of course we are looking to win trophies. We have unbelievable players, fantastic team, the best fans in the world, and a good coach.”

[Moggy]

I think Ronaldo summed up the situation at Man United fairly well:

"Of course we are looking to win trophies. We have unbelievable players, fantastic team, the best fans in the world, and a good coach.”

By coach, did he mean the bus?