Parksey wrote:DML wrote:One of the major fallacies in Britain is that a foreign coach will just come in and change everything. Up there with posh people are intelligent.
To be fair, this is a pretty vapid statement.
The first coach United appointed after Fergie was Scottish. He failed and was sacked. They have had foreign coaches since then. Who have failed and been sacked.
Ten Hag was not a case of them thinking, "I know, this foreign coach will solve all our problems". Were either of the first two defeats attributable to having a coach born outside of England?
As a kid growing up the 90s and having everyone in my town bolt on to Untied for obvious reasons, I am not having the same crisis of confidence as Cuttooth had last week about feeling sorry for United, but not sure your statement stands up to even the flimsiest scrutiny.
I'm not sure the nationality of the Head Coach in the job at United has had much bearing on anything. When Brentford's fourth goal went in tonight, did fans clasp their hands and think, "it was the hospital our coach was born in what done it"?
Also the coach who beat United tonight was Danish.
DML wrote:Photek wrote:DML wrote:One of the major fallacies in Britain is that a foreign coach will just come in and change everything.
Sometimes it works tho…
Of course. I just know a lot of United fans and not one even questioned the idea that he might not turn them around. If Howe or Potter took over (maybe bad examples but you get the idea), it'd be doubt central I reckon.
Can't believe three or four nanagers on and they are still playing McTominay.
Sorry to jump back several pages but I do think there is a valid point being alluded to in here (somewhere!)
Moreso than in England, other nations seem to value the concept that a manager might learn from mistakes. Ancelotti "failed" at several other Italian clubs - included Juventus! - before going to Milan. Here, if you have one high profile failure, other top clubs consign you to the scrap heap.
The thing is, we do it with our players too. At Sheffield United, Hull City, and Leicester, Maguire was
brilliant! £80m and a move to Lamcashire later and he's
terrible! Surely the truth lies somewhere in between? Footballers are (exorbitantly paid, hard to sympathise with) people, and they're influenced by their surroundings, their colleagues, their managers, etc.
We see "success stories" all the time of players who've "failed" here and left these shores to succeed elsewhere. Often it's attributed to the differences in the leagues, and maybe this is valid, but I think there's often cases where personal circumstances, tactical differences, personality clashes etc between a player and his new working environment serve to nullify any potential for success.
I think DML is right that any home-grown manager taking the top job at Old Trafford would be viewed with more suspicion than a foreign import. The paradox is, the imports we go for have usually won trophies, which justifies their appointment ahead of the local options; but when appointed by the trophy-winning club they may have previously been a "minnow" (Ten Hag being a great example). If you consider Rangnick - his success has been identifying a playing style and making clubs relatively successful and commercially viable, but not winning trophies. So in that vein his appointment was almost identical to that of... well, Moyes back in 2013!
Brendan Rodgers is the closest example I can think of, of a "home-grown" manager succeeding at a "small" club and being given an opportunity at a "big" one... and even he had to move abroad and win trophies to reclaim his seat at the table.
In any other country, Graham Potter would likely be Man Utd manager now.
