The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - The End (page 137)

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

No guarantees the conformists can PM each other yet though, they might just know who the others are. We could be making their lives a lot easier by voting it in

Vermilion wrote:

Moggy wrote:I am fully behind democracy as long as nobody votes Hannivalia to leave the Alpine Union.

I am all in favour of the Alpine Union, in real life i wear an Alpine F1 Cap.

Do you pronounce it "Alpeeen"?

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

This has made me wonder actually if we should avoid it. If the Conformists can't communicate outside the thread, it would be unbelievably stupid of us to grant them that power!

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

This has made me wonder actually if we should avoid it. If the Conformists can't communicate outside the thread, it would be unbelievably stupid of us to grant them that power!

Perhaps we should seek clarity from his Highness?

Tomous wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

No guarantees the conformists can PM each other yet though, they might just know who the others are. We could be making their lives a lot easier by voting it in

Yeah this is what I was trying to think through. My initial read of it made me think that they can't PM until the law is passed either, but is that really a valid configuration for the game?

A benefit of voting for the State Secrets Act is we will know whether they can PM each other as we will see their role PMs.

So one strategy could be to vote for the State Secrets Act today and then if they can already PM each other, vote for the Protected Communications Act tomorrow.

The downside of this as Drummy pointed out on the page before is it will let the dirty conformist scum know all the roles in play.

My right honourable friends,

I am sure that you will all join me in offering dearest sympathies to the family of the late Lord Orange. Though we clashed on occasion, he was always a committed parliamentarian and a dedicated servant to his constituents. His passion for democracy will truly be missed.

Owing to prior commitments in the village of Eye Arr Ell within my own constituency, I am regrettably late to this morning's proceedings. I shall endeavour to catch up by reading the notes from the parliamentary record henceforth.

However, one early comment I would make is that it appears certain that there are seven Conformists in our midst, having read this number several times already in the initial entry from today's parliamentary record. I shall read the notes in full before speculating further, but I would posit at this early stage that if we know how many of "them" there are, surely that means any legislation we pass making public the numbers of all roles can only be to our own detriment, as it would disproportionately benefit the conformists.

Mommy wrote:

Vermilion wrote:

Moggy wrote:I am fully behind democracy as long as nobody votes Hannivalia to leave the Alpine Union.

I am all in favour of the Alpine Union, in real life i wear an Alpine F1 Cap.

Do you pronounce it "Alpeeen"?

I'm possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that in no way with any amount of uncertainty that I undeniably do or do not know how it should be pronounced.

Drumstick wrote:

State Secrets Act

The number, names and descriptions of all roles in play will be published.

This seems more helpful for the Conformists, no? We know from the OP that there are 7 of them which is all we really need. They don't know what roles are available or the role names.

Why are we wanting to provide them with solid intel?

Yeah, I was thinking this too..

We know the number of our enemies and what they are called. We know there's some sort of Seer role (the Investigator). I think that's enough intel for the time being.

Good roles will obviously know who they are and what they can do. They can use that to get to work for the MPs.

The Conformists are obviously going to look for the Seers/good special roles. The more they know about them in terms of name and number, the more then can strategize.

We get their name and how many we have and then.. what? We still need them to operate in secrecy and keep safe. They'll still alrgelt be doing what they would be doing without the act. I don't think it necessarily helps us, bar stopping making up roles, but that's usually the domain of desperation anyway.

At the moment, Conformists are more likely to hit regular players. And us regular players are more likely to hit regular players. At the moment I would prefer as much info about special roles to remain private, as I think it tells the Conformists how many they need to be aiming for. We already largely know that.

It might be something that is more useful in three or four days. Once roles get revealed through death or player action, and we can use it to clarify things.

Knowledge is power, I know, but in this case, I'm not sure if this knowledge helps us that much.

Jenuall wrote:

Tomous wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

No guarantees the conformists can PM each other yet though, they might just know who the others are. We could be making their lives a lot easier by voting it in

Yeah this is what I was trying to think through. My initial read of it made me think that they can't PM until the law is passed either, but is that really a valid configuration for the game?

Given the amount of ways the game can evolve, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case

Quick question for the Duke of Deliciousness, can you confirm whether the Conformists are also banned from PM-ing until this law is passed?

Duke Hanno IV wrote:Protected Communications Act

Private communication, including via PM, is allowed between all players.

As it currently stands are the Conformists not able to communicate outside of the thread?

If so this is hugely helpful for the MPs and I would say it is of utmost importance to NOT pass the Private Comms Act.

I would also wonder if we won't find out the roles of who we have executed unless we pass the State Secrets Act. The descriptor is "roles and number currently in play are published", which makes me think we won't be told identities unless this is passed?

Also future acts which rely on SSA sound helpful for the MPs.

I will vote later, but I am not convinced by Drummy's "I'll enact the act with the most votes" policy as this allows the Conformists to sneak through acts for themselves. I am leaning towards Ob Bob who has pledged to enact the SSA. Preezy wanting the PCA is suss to me.

PS. Fantastic theming and rules Duke Hanno IV! I love how this gives us stuff to go on on day 1, rather than waiting around for a kill.

Yes, another benefit of SSA is these get declassified

* Investigatory Powers Act [requires State Secrets Act] [REDACTED]

This law will be declassified on passing of the State Secrets Act.

* Voting Integrity Act [requires State Secrets Act] [REDACTED]

This law will be declassified on passing of the State Secrets Act.

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

I don't know. It might be a pretty nasty twist that the bad guys can't use PM until we vote through a law that lets them? Sewing our own destruction could be just the thing that a game runner would find amusing.

We need seers, to get them we need the state secrets act followed by the Investigatory Powers Act.

aayl1 wrote:Preezy wanting the PCA is suss to me.

Let it be known to the chamber at large that the Right Honourable Gentleman's suspicions are misplaced - if it is confirmed that the Conformists are also prohibited from discussing matters in their private chambers I will withdraw my candidacy as Speaker and move to support Lord Oblomov's righteous and erotic platform.

Parksey wrote:
We get their name and how many we have and then.. what?

We can vote these in, which sound helpful!

Investigatory Powers Act [requires State Secrets Act] [REDACTED]

This law will be declassified on passing of the State Secrets Act.

* Voting Integrity Act [requires State Secrets Act] [REDACTED]

This law will be declassified on passing of the State Secrets Act.

Jenuall wrote:Quick question for the Duke of Deliciousness, can you confirm whether the Conformists are also banned from PM-ing until this law is passed?

Duke Hanno IV wrote:Protected Communications Act

Private communication, including via PM, is allowed between all players.

I cannot confirm this information at this time as it is classified as a state secret.

Moggy wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Presumably the Protected Communications Act is only really relevant to Parliament? We've got to assume that the Conformists can already PM one another?

In which case it seems like a good starter to go for - the only people against it would be one of the seven surely?

I don't know. It might be a pretty nasty twist that the bad guys can't use PM until we vote through a law that lets them? Sewing our own destruction could be just the thing that a game runner would find amusing.

We need seers, to get them we need the state secrets act followed by the Investigatory Powers Act.

This is what I'm thinking too.

And if we vote in the SSA we will know for sure if the scumbags can PM or not, which will let us make an informed decision on the Protected Communication act.

Tomous wrote:Yes, another benefit of SSA is these get declassified

* Investigatory Powers Act [requires State Secrets Act] [REDACTED]

This law will be declassified on passing of the State Secrets Act.

* Voting Integrity Act [requires State Secrets Act] [REDACTED]

This law will be declassified on passing of the State Secrets Act.

Voting for State Secrets unlocks other stuff, so that's the one to go for in my opinion.

Yeah the laws that are "unlocked" by SSA sound helpful, but as pointed out SSA on its own feels like it gives more benefit to the Conformists in revealing what we might have in play in terms of any unique roles that might be out there.

It's definitely a bit of a double edged sword