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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Moggy » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:00 pm

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Kezzer wrote:The only reason you want me dead is beause you killed Sats Moggy, I am on to you :capnscotty:


"Oh no, he accused me! Quick accuse him back! That won't look more suspicious!"

:lol:

After Drummy's post, I am leaning far more towards Dan than you, so chill out cupcake, there's plenty of time to go after you for trying to put us off the obvious (and essential!) Investigatory Powers Act.



I am more concerned about the promised you made in the last game :dread:


I have no idea what I promised, but your reaction makes me think it's something fun :datass:

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Qikz » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:01 pm

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Gotta to have respect for the day 2 megaton. Of course, it isn't an airtight argument. Especially the stuff about not voting - I also am yet to vote, partly because of wariness of getting caught up in any voting lists, but also because I am more inclined to vote when there is something meaningful at stake that I have an informed opinion on.

Kezzer is the more suspicious candidate to me right now, because his behaviour is the exact kind of thread disruption that good Alphas delegate to one of their pack. Will wait until later today before deciding whether to vote.


Just saying as someone who has known Kezzer for a long time and played various games of this nature with him (including TTT). It doesn't matter if he's a goodie or a badie he always acts exactly the same in these games. Not standing out to defend him as in this game I have nothing to go on, but it's very difficult to catch Keizer out and that's how he hid so well in the game he was a grinch with Dan as well. It's almost impossible to pin anything on him, because he's always so erratic.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Sprouty » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:07 pm

Jenuall wrote:Lots to digest, like others say it's hard to catch anything too concrete at this early stage but there is certainly an argument to be heard there


Yesterday I didn't vote in the lynch as I had nothing to go on. That doesn't look like it's going to be the same problem today. :shock:

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by DarkRula » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:14 pm

That does seem a lot of evidence to go on, but I'm not ready to act yet without hearing a defence.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by aayl1 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:22 pm

I did think Dan was being uncharacteristically slow, suggesting CK be lynched when it's way more beneficial to keep him alive ahead of SSA being passed. Will likely swap my vote to him.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Vermilion » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:45 pm

Kezzer wrote:where is Jenuall and his bloody post couting machine?! :x


The lack of this certainly does need to be remedied, come on Jen!

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Kezzer wrote:As of right now, I'd say Ministry of Truth Act is a solid base to start from.

Can you elaborate? What benefits does that bestow?


It doesn't do anything meaningful at all, i mean sure, being able to edit posts is helpful, but it won't assist us in stopping the conformists, and thus i believe this act should be left on the shelf for as long as possible.

Anyhow, on to the lynch vote, i've still not seen any posts from Roonmastor since the game began, and so i will vote to lynch him as an inactive.

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For [15] - aayl1, Vermi, Mori, DarkRula, Mommy, Ob Bob, Jenuall, Herdanos, Parksey, Moggy, Tomous, Preezy, VlaSoul, SillySprout, Qikz
Against [1] - Kezzer

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Lynch Vote
Kezzer [2] - aayl1, Herdanos
Herdanos [1] - Drumstick
Roonmastor [1] - Vermi

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Wait until 9pm to see, then vote between 9pm-9am [1] - Herdanos, Drumstick

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Clarkman » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:49 pm

Did Jen stop the post count bot because he was getting targetted by wolves too often for being helpful? Or is it out of character behaviour for him not to be helpful?

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Drumstick » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:50 pm

Clarkman wrote:Did Jen stop the post count bot because he was getting targetted by wolves too often for being helpful?

Yes.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Tomous » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:52 pm

Yeah, he didn't do it last game too either I believe, for that reason

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Vermilion » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:53 pm

Pity.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Drumstick » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:53 pm

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Drumstick wrote:Jenuall are you providing post counts this game?

I said at the end of the last game that I was going to stop doing them as it just gets me killed! We've got a lower player count this time so hopefully we should be able to monitor activity without it

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Kezzer » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:56 pm

He could at least offer up the code for someone else to do it.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Herdanos » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:57 pm

Moggy wrote:"Oh no, he accused me! Quick accuse him back! That won't look more suspicious!"

:lol:


Well, this puts me in a bind. :lol:

Last night Captain Kinopio threw his toys out of the pram and I had a post lined up and ready to go. I held back.

My post was accusing Drumstick. :lol:

Drummy, you're asking why I'm being quieter than in previous games. Well, unlike you I don't have the luxury of safety.

I have held back deliberately because I want to survive! What happened in Are You A Hitman?:

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Herdanos wrote:Ah bugger


You forgot the golden rule of these games.

Never ever ever ever be helpful.


I thought it would be really unhelpful for me to post loads on Day One, because it creates potential dead ends. Let's say I accused someone, then was killed Night One - Day Two is then spent discussing whether I was killed because I threw suspicion on that player? Or as a double bluff? It really isn't helpful. I didn't vote to lynch because there was no good case to lynch. I "didn't vote on legislation" because I was trying to play in character (as believe it or not, it is possible to enjoy these games even if you're a vanilla villager [assuming you survive!] ) and my obvious allegiance to the Internal Affairs Act was disregarded by everyone desperate to maintain a quote chain, despite the fact that the thread was moving quickly and edits were prohibited.

I deliberately asked you outright, Drumstick, why you sought election as Speaker, because an answer other than self preservation would have been a red flag for me. But you said self preservation, and so I was relieved - because that's been my motivation so far too, and you and I have previously been killed early in these games.

I'd like to think of it as a compliment - you get killed early, it's because you're decent! - but it's still frustrating. But likewise, though I suspected you yesterday, I decided against making this suspicion public, because if you are a regular parliamentarian, it's a weapon for the Conformists to use (they kill me - Thread: "Dan suspected Drummy!" - thread kills Drummy - kill potentially wasted).

I've not really got a choice now but to present the case I had against you. Which as Moggy points out, looks a bit silly and reactive :lol: But you are genuinely a good player of these games - so to present a "case" against me, on Day Two, which is partly built on the last game, and to present it as a Megaton? Well, that is pretty suspicious, so I need to give the public all my thoughts, in case I do end up killed at your direction.

(Oh, and should it need to be said - I am a humble parliamentarian.)

Drumstick is a former gamerunner. As am I. Upon seeing CK throw a strop last night, my first thought was "that's disappointing, and really rude to OR". I would expect normal Drummy to say something similar. Instead he... just encouraged CK to do what he was proposing. That didn't seem right to me.

As I've said previously, I spent a lot of time watching Drumstick's posts in the last game, waiting to see if he'd find my hidden message and share it. When he didn't I suspected he was a Hitman, and started observing what I thought was a change in his usual posting tone. Yesterday, I perceived that same change.

For example - in the late game, when the village was arguing the case against several suspected Hitmen but the game was almost already lost, Drumstick got very vocal and very defensive. That kind of righteous (but faux) outrage has already been in play this time - yesterday (IIRC) he said that Conformists being able to PM already was a "hill I'll f*cking die on". Seems extreme for day one!

Drummy is Mr Target Inactives yet in a game where ruleset changes sexist to specifically force inactives to post, he hasn't mentioned them once, despite being the most active player in the thread at present.

My theory (Which I was planning to hold onto but now cannot): Drumstick is a Conformist, and they cannot PM one another. Thus to obtain control of the Speaker office now would be easier than later in the game, and might allow him to build trust under the guise of democracy. If he is not killed in the night he can dismiss it as a double bluff.

If Drumstick knew more about the game than the rest of us beforehand - because his role PM contained more info than ours - then it would explain why he was confident in being able to declare his day 1 candidacy on page 1 while most of the rest of us were still reading all of OrangeRKN's posts!

I'm going into a 3pm meeting now but I'll be back ASAP to defend mysekf further

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Kezzer » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:04 pm

Herdanos wrote:My theory (Which I was planning to hold onto but now cannot): Drumstick is a Conformist, and they cannot PM one another. Thus to obtain control of the Speaker office now would be easier than later in the game, and might allow him to build trust under the guise of democracy. If he is not killed in the night he can dismiss it as a double bluff.

If Drumstick knew more about the game than the rest of us beforehand - because his role PM contained more info than ours - then it would explain why he was confident in being able to declare his day 1 candidacy on page 1 while most of the rest of us were still reading all of OrangeRKN's posts!

I'm going into a 3pm meeting now but I'll be back ASAP to defend mysekf further


Can't deny I have thought this too.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:06 pm

After much deliberation, I am cautiously supporting Drummy's motion to send Dan to Hell.

It could be a big ploy to distract us from his own mysterious survival tonight. If Dan is not a Conformist and if Drummy remains alive tomorrow, we must mark his grave with 'Enemy of the People' and fill it with his headless corpse!!

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Jenuall » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:07 pm

Yeah I've confirmed a few times, including in this very thread, that post counts are off the menu from me. There's nothing stopping anyone else from tallying things up though!

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Moggy » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:11 pm

Herdanos wrote:sexist


It's fair enough to accuse Drummy of being a baddie, but now he's a sexist? :shock:

;)

Drummy accuses Dan. Dan accuses Drummy. Classic AYA gameplay.

Dan does raise an interesting point on Drummy usually being Mr Target Inactives though. By now I would have usually spent at least 5 pages arguing with him about it.

Other than that, the evidence seems pretty weak. I can't see an experienced player like Drummy making such a big scene in the first few days. I can't see that he'd be stupid enough to accidentally reveal he knows more than us.

And it's beyond belief that he'd be a bad guy shouting "I'll strawberry floating die on the hill that baddies can PM!". Why the strawberry float would a bad guy want us to think they can PM? If they can't, then they'd want that law in place asap, he'd argue for it. And if they can PM, why risk people looking at you by saying you'd die on that hill?

Sorry Dan, I can't see it.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Tomous » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:15 pm

Two big plays, need to have a think about these.

Initial reaction is similar to Moggy's above, I will admit.

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Nun » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:18 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Kezzer wrote:where is Jenuall and his bloody post couting machine?! :x


The lack of this certainly does need to be remedied, come on Jen!

Herdanos wrote:
Kezzer wrote:As of right now, I'd say Ministry of Truth Act is a solid base to start from.

Can you elaborate? What benefits does that bestow?


It doesn't do anything meaningful at all, i mean sure, being able to edit posts is helpful, but it won't assist us in stopping the conformists, and thus i believe this act should be left on the shelf for as long as possible.

Anyhow, on to the lynch vote, i've still not seen any posts from Roonmaster....

Roonmaster has now posted, just a couple of pages ago I believe. Bit random to still be gunning for inactives in the middle of all this mudslinging haha

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PostRe: The Hannivalia Crisis 1891 [AYAW] - Day Two
by Vermilion » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:24 pm

Nun wrote:Roonmaster has now posted, just a couple of pages ago I believe. Bit random to still be gunning for inactives in the middle of all this mudslinging haha


Okay, cheers for the heads up, to be fair i haven't had time to read every post today as the game has been speeding along at quite a rate.


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