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by Peter Crisp » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:36 pm

I have a feeling that 99.9% of people who were going to buy this will still buy it however long it's delayed.
At worst it may convince some to opt for a next gen version but if Sony have any brains at all they'll just say that everyone who buy's the PS4 version will get a free PS5 upgrade when it's ready.
Considering Microsoft are doing that with many titles and this is a headline game it would seem like madness to not offer a free upgrade.

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by Victor Mildew » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:45 pm

Mafro wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Mafro wrote:Imagine being one of those devs that crunched like hell to get this out and now it's delayed again.

That will be least of their worries when they are sacked at some point over the coming months because the books would have been balanced on a big windfall from the games planned release which is now not happening until some unknown point in the future.

I think you mean "restructuring".


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by Wedgie » Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:16 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:I have a feeling that 99.9% of people who were going to buy this will still buy it however long it's delayed.
At worst it may convince some to opt for a next gen version but if Sony have any brains at all they'll just say that everyone who buy's the PS4 version will get a free PS5 upgrade when it's ready.Considering Microsoft are doing that with many titles and this is a headline game it would seem like madness to not offer a free upgrade.


Hopefully, like the cross buy scheme for PS3 and PS Vita (and sometimes for the PS4 as well.)

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by gaminglegend » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:57 am

The remastered version is £8.99 on the store & I feel this in amongst a few titles on PS3 I missed out on for whatever reason.

But I don’t really know what it’s about & im not sure the screen shots appeal but the hype really is egging me on. Anyone give me a non spoiler sales pitch? :lol: :shifty:

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by gamerforever » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:37 am

gaminglegend wrote:The remastered version is £8.99 on the store & I feel this in amongst a few titles on PS3 I missed out on for whatever reason.

But I don’t really know what it’s about & im not sure the screen shots appeal but the hype really is egging me on. Anyone give me a non spoiler sales pitch? :lol: :shifty:


One of the best games ever made and almost like a third person half life in some ways.

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by BOR » Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:41 am

gaminglegend wrote:The remastered version is £8.99 on the store & I feel this in amongst a few titles on PS3 I missed out on for whatever reason.

But I don’t really know what it’s about & im not sure the screen shots appeal but the hype really is egging me on. Anyone give me a non spoiler sales pitch? :lol: :shifty:

You've missed it out as it was available on last January PSN+. You could grab it for free and try it out.

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by Peter Crisp » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:42 am

Just imagine an average day going down to the local Sainsburys and trying to buy toilet paper.

It's like that but for about 40 hours.

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by Boo! » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:26 pm

gaminglegend wrote:The remastered version is £8.99 on the store & I feel this in amongst a few titles on PS3 I missed out on for whatever reason.

But I don’t really know what it’s about & im not sure the screen shots appeal but the hype really is egging me on. Anyone give me a non spoiler sales pitch? :lol: :shifty:



Amazing single player campaign with a unique and really underrated multiplayer mode. Its a top 5 game of all time for me.

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by Tomous » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:34 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Mafro wrote:Imagine being one of those devs that crunched like hell to get this out and now it's delayed again.

That will be least of their worries when they are sacked at some point over the coming months because the books would have been balanced on a big windfall from the games planned release which is now not happening until some unknown point in the future.



Sony aren’t going to downsize Naughty Dog because the game is releasing a few months later. That’s more something they’d look to do when profitability decreases...ie if Naughty Dog start releasing stinkers.

Yes, the cash is coming in later, but there’s plenty of ways round that if it’s an issue. And Sony are hardly a small company relying on the next release to pay the upcoming bills.

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by Jenuall » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:15 pm

Tomous wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Mafro wrote:Imagine being one of those devs that crunched like hell to get this out and now it's delayed again.

That will be least of their worries when they are sacked at some point over the coming months because the books would have been balanced on a big windfall from the games planned release which is now not happening until some unknown point in the future.



Sony aren’t going to downsize Naughty Dog because the game is releasing a few months later. That’s more something they’d look to do when profitability decreases...ie if Naughty Dog start releasing stinkers.

Yes, the cash is coming in later, but there’s plenty of ways round that if it’s an issue. And Sony are hardly a small company relying on the next release to pay the upcoming bills.

Naughty Dog =\= Sony.

Game dev is an extremely tough environment from an employment perspective. If you're a junior dev at these places then you are often seen as basically disposable at the best of times. In the middle of a crisis like this and with compounded delays to the launch of a major money spinner...

ND will have deeper pockets than most but if I was a recent-ish joiner in a low level position I wouldn't be feeling too safe right now.

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by Tomous » Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:27 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Mafro wrote:Imagine being one of those devs that crunched like hell to get this out and now it's delayed again.

That will be least of their worries when they are sacked at some point over the coming months because the books would have been balanced on a big windfall from the games planned release which is now not happening until some unknown point in the future.



Sony aren’t going to downsize Naughty Dog because the game is releasing a few months later. That’s more something they’d look to do when profitability decreases...ie if Naughty Dog start releasing stinkers.

Yes, the cash is coming in later, but there’s plenty of ways round that if it’s an issue. And Sony are hardly a small company relying on the next release to pay the upcoming bills.

Naughty Dog =\= Sony.

Game dev is an extremely tough environment from an employment perspective. If you're a junior dev at these places then you are often seen as basically disposable at the best of times. In the middle of a crisis like this and with compounded delays to the launch of a major money spinner...

ND will have deeper pockets than most but if I was a recent-ish joiner in a low level position I wouldn't be feeling too safe right now.



Sony own Naughty Dog so pretty much Sony = Naughty Dog. They almost certainly have cash pooling arrangements going on within Sony and the individual developer companies it owns so the peaks and troughs in cashflow across the individual business don't matter. The decisions will be made from a profitability perspective.

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by Jenuall » Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:53 pm

Tomous wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Mafro wrote:Imagine being one of those devs that crunched like hell to get this out and now it's delayed again.

That will be least of their worries when they are sacked at some point over the coming months because the books would have been balanced on a big windfall from the games planned release which is now not happening until some unknown point in the future.



Sony aren’t going to downsize Naughty Dog because the game is releasing a few months later. That’s more something they’d look to do when profitability decreases...ie if Naughty Dog start releasing stinkers.

Yes, the cash is coming in later, but there’s plenty of ways round that if it’s an issue. And Sony are hardly a small company relying on the next release to pay the upcoming bills.

Naughty Dog =\= Sony.

Game dev is an extremely tough environment from an employment perspective. If you're a junior dev at these places then you are often seen as basically disposable at the best of times. In the middle of a crisis like this and with compounded delays to the launch of a major money spinner...

ND will have deeper pockets than most but if I was a recent-ish joiner in a low level position I wouldn't be feeling too safe right now.



Sony own Naughty Dog so pretty much Sony = Naughty Dog. They almost certainly have cash pooling arrangements going on within Sony and the individual developer companies it owns so the peaks and troughs in cashflow across the individual business don't matter. The decisions will be made from a profitability perspective.

Owning them is absolutely not the same as ND = Sony.

Sony is one step removed from its Sony Interactive Entertainment subsidiary, which is then one step further removed from Naughty Dog. They're are probably tonnes of internal complications which make the picture even murkier.

Modern businesses are highly compartmentalised, each unit/sector/sub etc. is expected to function, operate and deliver against its own targets and using its own resources. One part of a business doing well does not necessarily mean it will cover for those which are not. Being part of something larger offers huge benefits, but it's not a golden ticket to keep operating an as expense without generating income indefinitely.

I'm not saying "ROFL, ND is gonna fold" because of this, but their operation as a business would have been hugely structured around the expectation that TLOU2 would release early in 2020. Balance sheets, projections, hiring, all sorts of longer term planning etc. a hell of a lot of stuff would have been lined up to function based on a large amount of income being present in Q1/Q2. That not happening will have an impact in one way or another.

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by Buffalo » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:21 am

Calm down mate. A mob of QA or a bunch of interns aren’t going to get binned off because of this delay.
A few of you are clearly over-thinking it - the delay is here because a) they won’t make as much money, and b) ...that’s it. It’s pretty simple.

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by Dual » Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:48 am

If ND were based here they would definitely be furloughing staff right now.

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by Tomous » Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:19 am

Jenuall wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Tomous wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Mafro wrote:Imagine being one of those devs that crunched like hell to get this out and now it's delayed again.

That will be least of their worries when they are sacked at some point over the coming months because the books would have been balanced on a big windfall from the games planned release which is now not happening until some unknown point in the future.



Sony aren’t going to downsize Naughty Dog because the game is releasing a few months later. That’s more something they’d look to do when profitability decreases...ie if Naughty Dog start releasing stinkers.

Yes, the cash is coming in later, but there’s plenty of ways round that if it’s an issue. And Sony are hardly a small company relying on the next release to pay the upcoming bills.

Naughty Dog =\= Sony.

Game dev is an extremely tough environment from an employment perspective. If you're a junior dev at these places then you are often seen as basically disposable at the best of times. In the middle of a crisis like this and with compounded delays to the launch of a major money spinner...

ND will have deeper pockets than most but if I was a recent-ish joiner in a low level position I wouldn't be feeling too safe right now.



Sony own Naughty Dog so pretty much Sony = Naughty Dog. They almost certainly have cash pooling arrangements going on within Sony and the individual developer companies it owns so the peaks and troughs in cashflow across the individual business don't matter. The decisions will be made from a profitability perspective.

Owning them is absolutely not the same as ND = Sony.

Sony is one step removed from its Sony Interactive Entertainment subsidiary, which is then one step further removed from Naughty Dog. They're are probably tonnes of internal complications which make the picture even murkier.

Modern businesses are highly compartmentalised, each unit/sector/sub etc. is expected to function, operate and deliver against its own targets and using its own resources. One part of a business doing well does not necessarily mean it will cover for those which are not. Being part of something larger offers huge benefits, but it's not a golden ticket to keep operating an as expense without generating income indefinitely.

I'm not saying "ROFL, ND is gonna fold" because of this, but their operation as a business would have been hugely structured around the expectation that TLOU2 would release early in 2020. Balance sheets, projections, hiring, all sorts of longer term planning etc. a hell of a lot of stuff would have been lined up to function based on a large amount of income being present in Q1/Q2. That not happening will have an impact in one way or another.



You’ve missed my point on the Sony ownership which was the timing of the cash coming in won’t be an issue because they’ll have shared cash resources.

I just really don’t think this will be an issue for their long term staff members. This is an industry where videogames get delayed all the time. Project planning is done over years not months. They’ll be resourced up staff wise for their next projects, they’re not going to let people go because something is delayed for a few months. Someone as big as ND, who are underpinned by Sony, don’t need to make redundancies because of a short delay.

As Buff says, Sony have delayed the game because they won’t sell as many without the physical side. I don’t think there will be much more to it than that.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:25 pm

I just had a thought?

What if at the end of the game it turns out the virus was caused by 5G? They tried to warn us and the obvious clue was the giraffe's.
That's why it's delayed as the Illuminati finally got to them.

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by gaminglegend » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:15 pm

gamerforever wrote:
gaminglegend wrote:The remastered version is £8.99 on the store & I feel this in amongst a few titles on PS3 I missed out on for whatever reason.

But I don’t really know what it’s about & im not sure the screen shots appeal but the hype really is egging me on. Anyone give me a non spoiler sales pitch? :lol: :shifty:


One of the best games ever made and almost like a third person half life in some ways.



Thanks everyone who replied I got it. Downloading now :wub:

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by Tomous » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:50 pm

gaminglegend wrote:
gamerforever wrote:
gaminglegend wrote:The remastered version is £8.99 on the store & I feel this in amongst a few titles on PS3 I missed out on for whatever reason.

But I don’t really know what it’s about & im not sure the screen shots appeal but the hype really is egging me on. Anyone give me a non spoiler sales pitch? :lol: :shifty:


One of the best games ever made and almost like a third person half life in some ways.



Thanks everyone who replied I got it. Downloading now :wub:


Oh man, I’m jealous of you getting to play it for the first time.

It’s one of my favourite videogame stories, certainly the best in a triple AAA title I’d argue.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:56 pm

Yep, the story is really rather good and does a great job of making a sensible and convincing world. It doesn't try to explain everything but you know enough that it makes logical sense and the actions of those involved seem possible. Nothing is particularly overblown and there are no super heroic figures.

It will easily translate into a TV series as there are interesting side characters they can use and all the locations while a bit battered are mostly recognisable.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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by Wedgie » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:33 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:It will easily translate into a TV series as there are interesting side characters they can use and all the locations while a bit battered are mostly recognisable.


It is being developed into a TV series, by HBO. :toot:

Anyway, The Last of Us is a superb game. Completed it several times, tackling each difficulty but still have to do it on Grounded difficulty. Also it boast apparently as one of the best online multiplayer games (not a huge fan of MP games.) And it will make a lot of sense to play it before the sequel, obviously.

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