The Last of Us II - 60 fps PS5 patch out now

Skippy wrote:The problem with the trailer is that it doesn't offer any reason for the violence.

I can’t be arsed to rewatch to get the exact dialogue, but doesn’t the boss woman talk about them being heretics and the the others say something about zealots? I’ve probably got the wrong words there, I watched it this morning and have a brain like a sieve.

What I took from it was an extremist religious sect has sprung up in the post apocalyptic world of tLOU and they were dealing with a heretical member that had left their group.

It’s not a great trailer as we don’t know the characters or anything much about the context, but there did seem to be a reason (if crazy religious bollocks counts as a reason).

I would argue that the lack of context is deliberate in order to a) promote speculation about the story and elements shown, and b) not spoil it.

Didn’t they do something relatively similar in marketing the first game, including a scene that didn’t make it to the final game? I remember that being pretty grim viewing too.

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Buffalo wrote:Didn’t they do something relatively similar in marketing the first game, including a scene that didn’t make it to the final game? I remember that being pretty grim viewing too.

With Uncharted: The Lost Legacy it had a cloaked and unknown woman being shown for 5 odd minutes. It suspense because the audience didn't know who or what it was all about. then there was the character and game reveal at the end. Big whoops and cheers.

This trailer adopted the same technique.

Although the Last of Us II had already been revealed before, the trailer gave us no direct clue of what this game was. So effectively a mystery and new game. Only at the end when the familiar music and the logo came up did everyone understand this was the sequel. Cue big whoops and cheers from the audience.

Buffalo wrote:Didn’t they do something relatively similar in marketing the first game, including a scene that didn’t make it to the final game? I remember that being pretty grim viewing too.

The thing that everyone got worked up about with the first one wasn't the violence, but the apparent celebration of it. The first gameplay demo of it finished with Joel gruesomely shotgunning a guy's head clean off as he was begging for mercy. It did a cut to black, the room erupted, and there was a lot of hand-wringing from the press about how gamers fetishize violence and how it was the reason gaming would never be for anyone other than adolescent boys.

What the press got wrong was that people weren't going nuts for the dude's brains being sprayed over the floor, but rather for the fact that it was an incredible gameplay reveal, with a dark, arresting climax. The demo laid context and had the purpose of advertising the combat to players, while the gruesome finale showed that Joel is a bad dude himself. The whole theme of the game is survival, and Joel's excessive violence showed this was not a good vs. bad story. The game scooped more than 200 Game of the Year awards, and critics hailed it as a landmark title for mature storytelling in videogames.

Anyway, if you want to run the numbers on how effective this trailer is as a marketing tool, in the 24 hours after the first trailer, there were 18 posts in this thread vs. the 88 since this one. And the first one included the reveal that the game even existed. :lol:

Dont care about the gender of the tortured or the torturers. I just hope the game is less boring.

Donlan nails it

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... cult-games

That's a good article

Is it though? Art is art.

That's kind of like saying "Oh well you can't show a trailer for the Revenant after An Anchorman 2 trailer because it's insensitive"

They are trailers made by different studios.

Imagine going to an art show with a bunch of different artists and complaining they had placed the dark depressing art next to the bright colourful art.

That article is written by a very over sensitive person.

Fade wrote:Imagine going to an art show with a bunch of different artists and complaining they had placed the dark depressing art next to the bright colourful art.

It would be considered pretty bad curation if a gallery were to exhibit something like Picasso's Guernica next to Duchamp's "Fountain", and I imagine people would complain.

Fade wrote:Is it though? Art is art.

That's kind of like saying "Oh well you can't show a trailer for the Revenant after An Anchorman 2 trailer because it's insensitive"

They are trailers made by different studios.

Imagine going to an art show with a bunch of different artists and complaining they had placed the dark depressing art next to the bright colourful art.

That article is written by a very over sensitive person.

Skippy wrote:Donlan nails it

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... cult-games

Half-nails it. I mean, ideas are ten a penny. What's the solution to this supposed problem? And I wonder if he had similar thoughts of the reveal trailer. It had implied violence, not explicit, but it was still strawberry floated up. (You know, Ellie singing to a house full of people she's likely brutalised and murdered moments before.)

Fade wrote:That's kind of like saying "Oh well you can't show a trailer for the Revenant after An Anchorman 2 trailer because it's insensitive"

Not "can't" but "it won't come off well"

Fade wrote:Imagine going to an art show with a bunch of different artists and complaining they had placed the dark depressing art next to the bright colourful art.

I can easily imagine this yes

I'm surprised at the reaction to this, in a few ways.

Firstly by the double-standard of how violence is viewed. Not sure why a woman being hurt is any worse than a man being hurt, or why on this occasion it's been deemed to be particularly offensive.

Secondly, these comments I've seen (not on here) about the trailer being 'torture porn'. Seems like a real overreaction, and it makes me wonder if any other game or film trailer with violence in would have the same comments levelled at it. Perhaps it's because the scenes didn't have any impact on me, but it just seems like any other violent game to me - genuinely can't see why this one in particular is garnering such a response.

Finally - and I guess this applies to The Last of Us and Detroit - the issue of context. Surely in a trailer you're expecting to see glimpses of what the game (or film) contains, and it's designed to give you an idea of what's in store, what the themes of the game or film is, and - yes - perhaps shock or intrigue the viewer and get people talking. Of course there's little to no context, because that's why you play the full game. Not every trailer has or needs explanations of everything that's happening in it, and I didn't see anything in either trailer that I thought crossed a line or was particularly offensive.

I guess I'm less sensitive than others, but I'm somewhat baffled by the reaction to both games.

Lotus wrote:I'm surprised at the reaction to this, in a few ways.

Firstly by the double-standard of how violence is viewed. Not sure why a woman being hurt is any worse than a man being hurt, or why on this occasion it's been deemed to be particularly offensive.

Secondly, these comments I've seen (not on here) about the trailer being 'torture porn'. Seems like a real overreaction, and it makes me wonder if any other game or film trailer with violence in would have the same comments levelled at it. Perhaps it's because the scenes didn't have any impact on me, but it just seems like any other violent game to me - genuinely can't see why this one in particular is garnering such a response.

Finally - and I guess this applies to The Last of Us and Detroit - the issue of context. Surely in a trailer you're expecting to see glimpses of what the game (or film) contains, and it's designed to give you an idea of what's in store, what the themes of the game or film is, and - yes - perhaps shock or intrigue the viewer and get people talking. Of course there's little to no context, because that's why you play the full game. Not every trailer has or needs explanations of everything that's happening in it, and I didn't see anything in either trailer that I thought crossed a line or was particularly offensive.

I guess I'm less sensitive than others, but I'm somewhat baffled by the reaction to both games.

The most sane response I've seen.

I am also baffled.

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It's the 'Polygon Effect' - manufacturing controversy or being offended on behalf of others but being unaware of the irony that you're likely patronising the people most affected by the issues you're raising.

My guess as to what's going on: Fireflies have gone all loopy/cultist and that's who Ellie was swearing revenge on in the debut trailer. I hope it isn't as obvious as that, though. (And going by how Uncharted 4 turned out, there's a good chance it won't be.)

Hime wrote:It's the 'Polygon Effect' - manufacturing controversy or being offended on behalf of others but being unaware of the irony that you're likely patronising the people most affected by the issues you're raising.

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Is that something Gervais said, or is it directed at him, because it's almost certainly both.

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