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by Moggy » Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:47 pm

LewisD wrote:Imagine if the armourer turned out to be a character we've encountered before, but we wouldn't have known because we don't know what she looks like without her helmet on :shock:


She's Palpatine, somehow returned!

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Apr 14, 2023 4:28 pm

The most common thought I see in the fandom, regarding the Armorer's true identity, is that she may be Rook Kast, formerly a Maul-aligned Death Watch Mandalorian we saw a little in the Clone Wars, and in the Son of Dathomir comics. That would explain her helmet horns. Would it make her a possible traitor, though?

Another interesting theory I've seen come up, which goes all the way back to the first season:

At the end of season 1, we see the pile of Mandalorian armor in the sewer, and assume Gideon's forces came in and killed the Covert. But the Armorer never says the Covert was attacked - she says the Imperials came, and that the pile of armor was the result.

So what if the Armorer wasn't a traitor, but was betrayed, by the Covert, because Gideon used the Darksaber to invoke rulership over Mandalore, and recruited everyone from the Covert out from under her. She doesn't tell Din about the betrayal because she doesn't want to lose anyone else.

It would explain why Paz and her were the only ones left - they cared more about following the Way than who owns the Darksaber. It would explain how Gideon has obtained the secrets of manufacturing Beskar. It would explain how his troops are so skilled with Mandalorian-style weapons and equipment.

The only way it doesn't work is that it makes a liar of Paz Viszla who, in his recent campfire speech, said that he watched his brothers and sisters fall to Gideon's Imperial butchers hunting them in the sewers of Nevarro.


I think it's a super interesting idea, and mostly plausible.

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:37 pm

OK, second in a series of stuff I don't like about Mando S3

JJ Abrams has a lot to answer for. They've been hemmed into a position where they have to create the First Order (which was a half-arsed copy of the Empire) and the frankly ridiculous Palpatine cloning story from RoS. Both were differing levels of shite but now have to be the end point for any content between Jedi and Force Awakens.


Otherwise I quite liked the last couple, though Grogu occupying the hollowed corpse of his former friend is quite disturbing

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by Tomous » Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:52 pm

Great episode! Real return to form after the terrible episode last week.

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by more heat than light » Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pm

Tomous wrote:Great episode! Real return to form after the terrible episode last week.


This!

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:19 am

Amazing episode but why the hell this they all retreat at they end? Surely bo Katan should have just used the dark saber to cut a hole in the other door and saved Din. They could have easily taken all those stormtroopers. The machine gun guy took them all out on his own :fp:

Obviously the red guards (I forget their proper name) may have been a different story but they didn’t know they were there at the time.

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by Victor Mildew » Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:39 am

Grogu:

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PostRe: Star Wars: The Mandalorian - Wednesdays on Disney+. Finale out now.
by Xeno » Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 am

All I can really say is strawberry float!

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by DarkRula » Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:13 pm

Yup. What a fantastic finale. Grogu :wub:

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by Qikz » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:16 pm

Holy strawberry float, I legit cried. Reading Xeno's message and some other message I saw accidentally I was assuming the absolute worst.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:22 pm

I'm glad others are getting something out of this that I just didn't.

My first thought at the end was this was just like the final episode of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. So many wild theories doing the rounds before the finale but it went straight for the simple, obivous conclusion. Maybe that's on me and my expectations. It was ok, parts were actually bad, some good. The most interesting bit for me was the fact it might go back to adventure of the week format.

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by Qikz » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:23 pm

I was so happy when R5 got his moment to be a badass and when he got thanked he did that cute little jig the astromechs do when they're happy. I was grinning so hard at that

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by Zilnad » Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:25 pm

Qikz wrote:Holy strawberry float, I legit cried.


gooseberry fool, the wait for home time is killing me.

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PostRe: Star Wars: The Mandalorian - Wednesdays on Disney+. Finale out now.
by Robbo-92 » Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:35 pm

Thought that was brilliant :wub: Not many programs can actually get me onto my feet when watching really!

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:25 pm

Excellent finale, very enjoyable. I laughed, I almost cried, I was on the figurative edge of my seat throughout.

The many fight scenes for everyone - Din, Grogu, Bo, the Mandalorians in general - were all excellently choreographed, and had weight to them. Their survival and victories all felt well earned, everybody had a hard time, and everybody worked together so well. The aerial combat was like something ripped from an episode of the Clone Wars, or the pages of a comic. Very pleased.

My expectation that a Mind Flayer, and a heartbreaking end, awaited the Din/Grogu and Din/Bo partnerships, was wrong, fortunately or unfortunately, as too were expectations that one of the Mandalorians was a turncoat. The latter I am particularly glad didn't happen, but I'm also glad that we didn't lose Bo.

R5 getting to shine is one of the several standout moments of the series. First, in it being brave enough to enter the base on its own, and scomp in to help Din, and then in its little fight with the Mouse Droid cops. :lol: :wub: Absolutely adorable, pure Star Wars droid magic.

Gideon clones! Holy balls, properly made age-accelerated clones! The eyes opening got me, despite the obviousness of it. And, while I know Din destroyed the lot, I wouldn't put it past the writers to have one survive to menace our heroes in the next season(s). A Gideon with Force powers would be a grave threat.

The expository scene showing how the survivors managed to eke out a living in near-surface caves, where native flora was reestablishing itself, I liked a lot. It provides an ecological basis for Mandalore's long term habitability. I know that real world-ish science-adjacent things aren't suited to space wizard jetpack fun time, but, it's nice to get a bit sprinkled in here and there. It does add to the believability of the experience, and I appreciated its inclusion in an episode where it could so easily have been cut.

Axe's race to the fleet, taking the helm and doing whatever he could to bring down incoming TIEs before ploughing the ship into the base, that was so badass. As the ship dropped through the clouds, you could see his body tense with fear in that command chair. Anyone would be scared shitless. So many people have had him wrong - his Muggleborn gooseberry fool is problematic as hell, indicative of the deep animosity that still divides Mandalorian tribes, but, he's no Imp spy, and he's a damn hero for what he did in this episode. I was happy to see him bail from the ship and not die needlessly, I hope we see him again.

I am big enough to admit that I have been wrong about the Armorer, it seems like she's grown enough to accept other tribes' ways, to a degree, and put her planet first. But, helmet cult leader still gives me bad vibes. I just really want to know more about her! Give me that backstory.

Bo's fight with Gideon had me so worried. Ever since another character death in another recent Star Wars show, hell even before that, I've been afraid that she might get fridged to serve Din's story. I'm relieved to see that that didn't happen.

The Darksaber has been broken! I am curious to see how it'll get fixed - whether it'll require a trip to see Luke, or if the Armorer and Grogu will be able to work together in restoring it.

Gideon is such a fantastic bad guy, I've really enjoyed him. It would've been nice to see him more, but I suppose they wanted to have the mystery of his whereabouts hang around a little before bringing him back in. I know he's gone for now, but, I half expect to see him return, somehow - maybe a clone, maybe the OG. Imagine a crazed Force sensitive Gideon clone hunting Din and Grogu down.

Also, so nice to see Din finally get a place of his own to live. It's been a long time coming. Plus, IG-11 is back, as the Marshall! Hooray! :msgreen:

Next season is going to be interesting. Back to the monster of the week format, maybe, but with an Imperial flare? I'm in.

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PostRe: Star Wars: The Mandalorian - Wednesdays on Disney+. Finale out now.
by Cheeky Devlin » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:06 pm

Loved it.
The mouse-droids were great fun. :lol:

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PostRe: Star Wars: The Mandalorian - Wednesdays on Disney+. Finale out now.
by Tomous » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:42 pm

Solid final episode albeit one without any real surprises. I think the fact they had it all wrapped up in 35 minutes demonstrates how simple the plot has been this season. They really didnt have a huge amount to tie up, but whaf they did, they did extremely well with some great moments so ill give them plenty of credit for that. Very much feels like the end doesnt it? Weakest season for me and i think its probably the right time to end it. I'm aure the 2 of them will pop up in the other stuff they're doin anyway.

Also, extremely lame that after they built up the Darksaber to be this brilliant mythical weapon that it crumpled so easily. Isnt the hilt made of beskar?

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PostRe: Star Wars: The Mandalorian - Wednesdays on Disney+. Finale out now.
by Tomous » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:49 pm

Also, Grogu:

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PostRe: Star Wars: The Mandalorian - Wednesdays on Disney+. Finale out now.
by Moggy » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:55 pm

Tomous wrote:Solid final episode albeit one without any real surprises. I think the fact they had it all wrapped up in 35 minutes demonstrates how simple the plot has been this season. They really didnt have a huge amount to tie up, but whaf they did, they did extremely well with some great moments so ill give them plenty of credit for that. Very much feels like the end doesnt it? Weakest season for me and i think its probably the right time to end it. I'm aure the 2 of them will pop up in the other stuff they're doin anyway.

Also, extremely lame that after they built up the Darksaber to be this brilliant mythical weapon that it crumpled so easily. Isnt the hilt made of beskar?


Nah, it didn't feel like the end. It felt like they were setting up the next season to be more episodic.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:57 pm

Tomous wrote:Solid final episode albeit one without any real surprises. I think the fact they had it all wrapped up in 35 minutes demonstrates how simple the plot has been this season. They really didnt have a huge amount to tie up, but whaf they did, they did extremely well with some great moments so ill give them plenty of credit for that. Very much feels like the end doesnt it? Weakest season for me and i think its probably the right time to end it. I'm aure the 2 of them will pop up in the other stuff they're doin anyway.

Also, extremely lame that after they built up the Darksaber to be this brilliant mythical weapon that it crumpled so easily. Isnt the hilt made of beskar?


Sadly for you, it's not ending yet - season 4's script has been written up already, in order to line up with the events of Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew. Given the way this season ended, Din is going to get wrapped up in the upcoming war with the Imperial Remnant. I think it'll probably reach season 5 before the movie comes along and wraps things up completely. There has been some speculation that they might try and keep the show going afterwards, but that's just idle talk right now.

As for the Darksaber, we aren't sure what it's made from, only that it's a ridiculously tough, probably Beskar-like material. Could be an improved Beskar recipe. The fact Gideon could crumple it is testimony to the quality of the Dark Trooper suit he was wearing, and it sets us up for a reforging sequence or story arc.


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