The Politics Thread 4

[Errkal]

Lets strawberry float 'em out the country then worry about it.

What a banana split faced gooseberry fool of a woman.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/davidlammy/status/986977664731942912

Lammy is knocking it out of the park at the moment.

[KK]

There were 3 local by-elections yesterday, Lib Dem defeating the Tories in 2 (3rd TBA)

- Liberal Democrat GAIN Lymm South (Warrington) from Conservative.

LDEM: 42.8% (+10.4)
CON: 36.2% (-2.3)
LAB: 18.3% (-1.1)
UKIP: 1.4% (-8.3)
GRN: 1.3% (+1.3)

- Liberal Democrat GAIN Thatcham West (West Berkshire) from Conservative.

LDEM: 48.4% (+9.7)
CON: 30.9% (-16.9)
GRN: 7.7% (+7.7)
LAB: 7.7% (-5.9)
UKIP: 5.4% (+5.4)

[DML]

There were 3 local by-elections yesterday, Lib Dem defeating the Tories in 2 (3rd TBA)

- Liberal Democrat GAIN Lymm South (Warrington) from Conservative.

LDEM: 42.8% (+10.4)
CON: 36.2% (-2.3)
LAB: 18.3% (-1.1)
UKIP: 1.4% (-8.3)
GRN: 1.3% (+1.3)

- Liberal Democrat GAIN Thatcham West (West Berkshire) from Conservative.

LDEM: 48.4% (+9.7)
CON: 30.9% (-16.9)
GRN: 7.7% (+7.7)
LAB: 7.7% (-5.9)
UKIP: 5.4% (+5.4)

Wow, thats really interesting. Two very different areas of teh country and two very easy defeats of the Conservatives with no real Labour opposition. Does feel like the main swing is away from the Conservatives as a trend rather than some mass fervour for Labour.

[Vermilion]

There are many areas where just the Lib Dems & Tories fight for seats, especially at a more local level.

It was that way when i lived in Devon, Labour had almost no support at all in the region.

[Tineash]

There are many areas where just the Lib Dems & Tories fight for seats, especially at a more local level.

It was that way when i lived in Devon, Labour had almost no support at all in the region.

This was why the LD collapse of 2010->2015 gave David Cameron a majority. All those LD vs Tory seats went Tory.

[DML]

Well Portsmouth has always traditionally been Con/Lib swing seats. Until one randomly went Labour last time out.

[Moggy]

Bristol West was pretty solidly Lib Dem until the Coalition. Labour have won easily in the last two elections.

[Moggy]

Mail journalist writing about a left winger receiving online abuse:

twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/987318005356023808

Less than 40 minutes later, the same Mail journalist wrote about a right winger receiving online abuse:

twitter.com/dpjhodges/status/987327559510749184

[Hypes]

Ah Dan Hodges

twitter.com/hrtbps/status/987082436709363713

[Knoyleo]

Look at this pair of dingleberries.

twitter.com/nick_clegg/status/986924578327990273

[Moggy]

Look at this pair of dingleberries.

twitter.com/nick_clegg/status/986924578327990273

twitter.com/geraldjmcgrath/status/986925628925587456

twitter.com/carrie_p_/status/986929681600524289

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strawberry float

[Meep]

I remember a time when something like the Windrush debacle would have caused multiple resignations and possibly brought down the government. We are really post-shame now.

[Errkal]

I remember a time when something like the Windrush debacle would have caused multiple resignations and possibly brought down the government. We are really post-shame now.

No just very right wing and anti immigration make what happened expected and accepted by those in charge and a worrying portion of the electorate.

[Vermilion]

I remember a time when something like the Windrush debacle would have caused multiple resignations and possibly brought down the government. We are really post-shame now.

No just very right wing and anti immigration make what happened expected and accepted by those in charge and a worrying portion of the electorate.

The wider anti immigration feeling in recent years has largely been caused by the sheer amount of people arriving here, net migration has been in the hundreds of thousands now for many years, and this combined with the resulting infrastructure pressures is what has created a lot of resentment from the wider population.

Back in the 90's, net migration was much lower and so while we still had newcomers arriving regularly, it simply wasn't such an issue for many folk. The resulting backlash against immigration in recent times is an issue largely created by those who encouraged mass immigration at an unsustainable level.

The problem for the windrush folk in all this, is that like with a number of other issues, the backlash put pressure on the govt to change things. This led them to implement 'tougher measures' which, as you would expect from successive governments in recent years, were completely fudged and so ended up aimed at pretty much everyone born overseas regardless of circumstances.

[That]

If anti-immigration sentiment is caused by immigrants, why is anti-immigration sentiment highest in areas with no immigration?

Anti-immigration sentiment is caused by anti-immigration rhetoric in politics and the news. It's nothing to do with immigrants themselves.

[Errkal]

If anti-immigration sentiment is caused by immigrants, why is anti-immigration sentiment highest in areas with no immigration?

Anti-immigration sentiment is caused by anti-immigration rhetoric in politics and the news. It's nothing to do with immigrants themselves.

This. Anti immigration comes from people being afriad of immigration because of what the media has said. It isesa of an issue in areas of high immigration like London ect. As they see first hand the good it does however in areas where immigration is low they only see the media.

[Skarjo]

Look at this pair of dingleberries.

twitter.com/nick_clegg/status/986924578327990273

twitter.com/geraldjmcgrath/status/986925628925587456

twitter.com/carrie_p_/status/986929681600524289

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[Vermilion]

If anti-immigration sentiment is caused by immigrants, why is anti-immigration sentiment highest in areas with no immigration?

Anti-immigration sentiment is caused by anti-immigration rhetoric in politics and the news. It's nothing to do with immigrants themselves.

There's actually quite a bit of immigration even in such areas these days, pretty much all the places i go to (even the smallest market towns) have lots of people from overseas present. It is something that only became noticeable outside the major conurbations during the last 10-15 years, and such rapid social changes in these regions (combined with some of the media rhetoric you mentioned) were always going to lead to a level of distrust and resentment from sections of the wider population.