The Star Trek Thread

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What is the best Star Trek series (2020 version of poll)?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:46 pm

The Original Series
1
7%
Next Generation
7
50%
Deep Space 9
3
21%
Voyager
2
14%
Enterprise
0
No votes
Discovery
1
7%
Picard
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 14
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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Winckle » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:34 pm

Any idea where in the UK I can watch this?

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by Lagamorph » Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:37 pm

Winckle wrote:Any idea where in the UK I can watch this?

I don't think any UK Distributor has picked it up yet, but I'd expect Netflix or Amazon Prime will end up being the ones to get it.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Carlos » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:44 pm

Q: did anyone else find the use of the Gregorian calendar rather than stardates in Picard really off putting? Wasn't the stardate system devised due to time dilation at FTL speeds?

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by Winckle » Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:08 am

Carlos wrote:Q: did anyone else find the use of the Gregorian calendar rather than stardates in Picard really off putting? Wasn't the stardate system devised due to time dilation at FTL speeds?

I didn't notice until now when you pointed it out. And now yes.

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by Jenuall » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:45 pm

Can't believe I hadn't spotted that either!

The showrunner gave this reason apparently:

Asked why Star Trek: Picard didn't use stardates, showrunner Michael Chabon said, "Using a Stardate tells you precisely nothing. Giving an audience the stardate is like if I wanted to know if I needed to put on a sweater or not, and you told me the temperature outside in Kelvin."

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Tineash » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:48 pm

They should take Chabon's Hugo award away just for that.

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by Somebody Else's Problem » Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:16 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I've eventually come to the conclusion that I really don't like that ship design.

I guess it can work in a cartoon like this, I just hope they never try to bring it into any of the live action series.

I mean I know Star Trek has had some strawberry floating weird Kitbash models before but I just can't get my head around this one.


It's basically Oberth 2.0

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Winckle » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:10 pm

Jenuall wrote:Can't believe I hadn't spotted that either!

The showrunner gave this reason apparently:

Asked why Star Trek: Picard didn't use stardates, showrunner Michael Chabon said, "Using a Stardate tells you precisely nothing. Giving an audience the stardate is like if I wanted to know if I needed to put on a sweater or not, and you told me the temperature outside in Kelvin."

:|

Converting to Kelvin is easy though, you just add 273.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Eighthours » Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:48 pm

Stardates were cool. In Next Gen, this is what the guide was for writers and directors (during season 6):

"A Stardate is a five-digit number followed by a decimal point and one more digit. Example: "46254.7". The first two digits of the Stardate are "46." The 4 stands for the 24th Century, the 6 indicates sixth season. The following three digits will progress consecutively during the course of the season from 000 to 999. The digit following the decimal point counts tenths of a day. Stardate 45254.4, therefore, represents the noon hour on the 254th "day" of the fifth season. Because Stardates in the 24th Century are based on a complex mathematical formula, a precise correlation to Earth-based dating systems is not possible."


So I always used to like how the Stardates would proceed through the course of a season, and you'd know what the next season would start with - the second digit of the number would move on by 1, and you'd be back to near 000 for the rest.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by captain red dog » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:46 pm

If they can't use stardates I don't think they can write Sci Fi, or at least don't respect the franchise they are writing for. It's a novel thing in Enterprise, but no excuse why they wouldn't use it in Picard. Can't say I noticed it though.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Lagamorph » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:39 pm

I really liked the idea of Stardates. It was also a great explanation for why so many different alien races are using the same calendar system. The idea behind a Stardate was that "Stardate 0" was basically the moment the Federation was founded and it acted as a unified time keeping system across the Federation, rather than adopting just the system used by one of the founding members.

That's why Enterprise had a good reason for not using them, Stardates simply hadn't been invented yet in-universe. In Picard though there really isn't any excuse not to use them besides the writers simply not wanting to bother.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Carlos » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:07 am

captain red dog wrote:If they can't use stardates I don't think they can write Sci Fi, or at least don't respect the franchise they are writing for. It's a novel thing in Enterprise, but no excuse why they wouldn't use it in Picard. Can't say I noticed it though.


I found it broke the suspension of belief. That and the huge unanswered AI question: what about the Doctor from Voyager?

Does he count as an AI? He had to physically code himself new abilities (like singing) rather than learning them like Data did. Does this mean he doesn't count as a true AI despite his sentience? Did he get switched off when the Fed banned androids? EMH still exists as Isaac Mendez has several holographic clones on his ship.

I enjoyed the nostalgia of Picard but it had some large plot holes that I couldn't stop thinking about like the above. And the last episode was awful. Why not have Seven turn up with the Borg Cube and blow the Romulans to smithereens rather than relying on robot flowers?

And how come there was this Romulan secret society apparently only heard of in whispers of legends that somehow everyone knew about? And don't get me started on robot Picard.

I thought the whole thing would have been better had it been about the integration of ex-borg drones back into Federation society and the prejudice they would face. Picard and Seven would have been appropriate spokespeople for their civil rights.

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by Somebody Else's Problem » Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:30 pm

Carlos wrote:I enjoyed the nostalgia of Picard but it had some large plot holes that I couldn't stop thinking about like the above. And the last episode was awful. Why not have Seven turn up with the Borg Cube and blow the Romulans to smithereens rather than relying on robot flowers?


You mean the borg cube that had been blown up and was crashed into a planet? That one?

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Lagamorph » Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:19 pm

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Squinty » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:08 pm

Dat Trip

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Memento Mori » Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:24 pm

Winckle wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Can't believe I hadn't spotted that either!

The showrunner gave this reason apparently:

Asked why Star Trek: Picard didn't use stardates, showrunner Michael Chabon said, "Using a Stardate tells you precisely nothing. Giving an audience the stardate is like if I wanted to know if I needed to put on a sweater or not, and you told me the temperature outside in Kelvin."

:|

Converting to Kelvin is easy though, you just add 273.

For us normal people who use Celsius sure but the Americans use Fahrenheit like barbarians.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Monkey Man » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:35 am

Star Trek: Lower Decks trailer - https://streamable.com/ds72si

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by Winckle » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:35 pm


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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Lagamorph » Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:54 pm

Winckle wrote:

I.....don't entirely hate it at least. I can't say I particularly liked it either.

I still don't like the ship design though.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Eighthours » Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:37 am

Why do animated characters’ expressions in promo pics look like wacky YouTube video thumbnails?


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