The Star Trek Thread

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What is the best Star Trek series (2020 version of poll)?

Poll ended at Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:46 pm

The Original Series
1
7%
Next Generation
7
50%
Deep Space 9
3
21%
Voyager
2
14%
Enterprise
0
No votes
Discovery
1
7%
Picard
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 14
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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:41 pm

:dread:

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by RetroCora » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:58 pm

How have you seen it a day early?

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Cheeky Devlin » Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:09 pm

RetroCora wrote:How have you seen it a day early?

It airs on Thursday in the US, so that'll be how.
Too much hassle to download though so I usually just wait for the Friday one.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Hexx » Thu Apr 28, 2022 5:42 pm

RetroCora wrote:How have you seen it a day early?


I'm special

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by RetroCora » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:13 pm

OK, so the way they've gotten to this development is sloppy as hell, but...I don't hate it? I think that Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, and optimistic, and if even they can aspire to better then maybe that's not the worst thing? This season has been horribly written and very messy in places, but it has had good ideas, IMO. I just wish they'd been better implemented.

My theory for Q's motives is that he's dying or ascending or moving to a new plane of existence or whatever, and with the last of his time he wanted to finish the "project" he started in Encounter at Farpoint, and also help Picard move past his generational (lol dyswidt) trauma to build relationships better going forward. I like to think that he thinks he's Picard's best mate. And next season will be about rebuilding the relationship between him and the TNG cast.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Cheeky Devlin » Tue May 03, 2022 11:22 pm

Paramount + confirmed for UK launch on June 22nd for £6.99 a month.
Sky Cinema customers get it as part of their package.

No confirmation on exactly what Trek content will be there at launch beyond Strange New Worlds, but Discovery Seasons 1-4 and Prodigy Season 1 (So far) is a good bet.

I would prepare for older series to start migrating over from Netflix and Amazon at some point over the next year as contracts expire I would bet.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by captain red dog » Wed May 04, 2022 10:41 am

RetroCora wrote:OK, so the way they've gotten to this development is sloppy as hell, but...I don't hate it? I think that Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, and optimistic, and if even they can aspire to better then maybe that's not the worst thing? This season has been horribly written and very messy in places, but it has had good ideas, IMO. I just wish they'd been better implemented.

My theory for Q's motives is that he's dying or ascending or moving to a new plane of existence or whatever, and with the last of his time he wanted to finish the "project" he started in Encounter at Farpoint, and also help Picard move past his generational (lol dyswidt) trauma to build relationships better going forward. I like to think that he thinks he's Picard's best mate. And next season will be about rebuilding the relationship between him and the TNG cast.

I think it's been pretty dire. They have needlessly retconned so much stuff. Picard already had massive trauma with the loss of Data, his brother and nephew being burned alive, and being turned into a Borg and forced to massacre his own people. They didn't need to retcon a back story for him as it was already there on a plate.

I also don't see why they need to repair his relationship with the TNG crew. That's been done in All Good Things in an alternate look at the future (which is miles better than this apparently canon future).

I don't see that needing fixing, they all moved on with their careers like everyone in life has to do at some point. But no doubt there will be some more retconning where every character has demons that needs fixing.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Cheeky Devlin » Wed May 04, 2022 10:54 am

captain red dog wrote:
RetroCora wrote:OK, so the way they've gotten to this development is sloppy as hell, but...I don't hate it? I think that Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, and optimistic, and if even they can aspire to better then maybe that's not the worst thing? This season has been horribly written and very messy in places, but it has had good ideas, IMO. I just wish they'd been better implemented.

My theory for Q's motives is that he's dying or ascending or moving to a new plane of existence or whatever, and with the last of his time he wanted to finish the "project" he started in Encounter at Farpoint, and also help Picard move past his generational (lol dyswidt) trauma to build relationships better going forward. I like to think that he thinks he's Picard's best mate. And next season will be about rebuilding the relationship between him and the TNG cast.

I think it's been pretty dire. They have needlessly retconned so much stuff. Picard already had massive trauma with the loss of Data, his brother and nephew being burned alive, and being turned into a Borg and forced to massacre his own people. They didn't need to retcon a back story for him as it was already there on a plate.

I also don't see why they need to repair his relationship with the TNG crew. That's been done in All Good Things in an alternate look at the future (which is miles better than this apparently canon future).

I don't see that needing fixing, they all moved on with their careers like everyone in life has to do at some point. But no doubt there will be some more retconning where every character has demons that needs fixing.


Will is now a secret alcoholic.
Not that secret as Troi is traumatised trying to keep the family together.
Data is still dead but they'll find a way to cram Soong in there again.
Geordie got locked up for stalking Leah Brahms.
Worf is reeling from the dishonor of Alexander pursuing a new career in interpretive dance
Beverley Crusher still being haunted by the horny ghost.
Wesley fell out an airlock.

EDIT: Oh God, I just realised they're going to try and bring Data back aren't they? The timeline kerfuffle will mean he never died. :fp:

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by site23 » Wed May 04, 2022 10:59 am

Cheeky Devlin wrote:Wesley fell out an airlock.

I love Star Trek Picard now???

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by Imrahil » Wed May 04, 2022 11:30 am


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by Lagamorph » Wed May 04, 2022 11:49 am

I'm not entirely against what seems to be happening with the Borg in Picard. The Queen coming to the realisation that no matter what, the Collective always ends up being destroyed one way or another, and having to deal with experiencing it across near infinite timelines over and over, isn't a bad plot element for me. Her being finally confronted with that by someone else who can actually see what it was like and offering her another path is a good way to go, and essentially brings us back around to the start of the series.
Presumably the new Queen will end up essentially "staying out of the way" for the restored timeline to avoid disrupting history and then step in sometime during the 2380s or 2390s to take over what was left of the Collective after Voyager, possibly by even reaching out to the Unimatrix Zero rebellion, reform it before coming to the Alpha Quadrant to offer an olive branch to the Federation.
I wouldn't find it all unbelievable that if individual Borg were allowed to retain their free will and come and go as they please then there would be people volunteering to be assimilated for the potential benefits (longer life, regeneration, access to knowledge, adaptation to potential threats, etc).


Of course all of this just causes Discovery Season 3 onwards to be even more complete and utter bullshit and just makes me even more sure it all takes place in an alternate timeline like the Abramsverse.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by RetroCora » Wed May 04, 2022 11:49 am

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
captain red dog wrote:
RetroCora wrote:OK, so the way they've gotten to this development is sloppy as hell, but...I don't hate it? I think that Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, and optimistic, and if even they can aspire to better then maybe that's not the worst thing? This season has been horribly written and very messy in places, but it has had good ideas, IMO. I just wish they'd been better implemented.

My theory for Q's motives is that he's dying or ascending or moving to a new plane of existence or whatever, and with the last of his time he wanted to finish the "project" he started in Encounter at Farpoint, and also help Picard move past his generational (lol dyswidt) trauma to build relationships better going forward. I like to think that he thinks he's Picard's best mate. And next season will be about rebuilding the relationship between him and the TNG cast.

I think it's been pretty dire. They have needlessly retconned so much stuff. Picard already had massive trauma with the loss of Data, his brother and nephew being burned alive, and being turned into a Borg and forced to massacre his own people. They didn't need to retcon a back story for him as it was already there on a plate.

I also don't see why they need to repair his relationship with the TNG crew. That's been done in All Good Things in an alternate look at the future (which is miles better than this apparently canon future).

I don't see that needing fixing, they all moved on with their careers like everyone in life has to do at some point. But no doubt there will be some more retconning where every character has demons that needs fixing.


Will is now a secret alcoholic.
Not that secret as Troi is traumatised trying to keep the family together.
Data is still dead but they'll find a way to cram Soong in there again.
Geordie got locked up for stalking Leah Brahms.
Worf is reeling from the dishonor of Alexander pursuing a new career in interpretive dance
Beverley Crusher still being haunted by the horny ghost.
Wesley fell out an airlock.

EDIT: Oh God, I just realised they're going to try and bring Data back aren't they? The timeline kerfuffle will mean he never died. :fp:


This one seems genuinely appropriate to be fair, rewatching TNG with the watch through crew has confirmed to me that Geordie's a creepy bastard. :lol:

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Cuttooth » Wed May 04, 2022 12:17 pm

Making my way through S3 of DS9 and saw Visionary for the first time. I was not aware that Miles is now actually dead and replaced with his future self. Everyone is so chill about it as well. :dread:

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by Cheeky Devlin » Wed May 04, 2022 12:20 pm

Cuttooth wrote:Making my way through S3 of DS9 and saw Visionary for the first time. I was not aware that Miles is now actually dead and replaced with his future self. Everyone is so chill about it as well. :dread:

The writers on DS9 strawberry floating loved torturing O'Brien. Poor guy.

Spoilers for horrible gooseberry fool that happens to him...
Imprisoned and tried by Cardassians
Tortured
Killed
Stuck in Mind Jail for decades
Wife is taken over by malevolent entity
Daughter falls through a time hole
Replaced by a clone assassin


And those are just the ones off the top of my head. :lol:

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Cuttooth » Wed May 04, 2022 12:29 pm

Yeah, Hard Times is a really harrowing episode. Can't wait! :slol:

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Hexx » Wed May 04, 2022 5:12 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:Making my way through S3 of DS9 and saw Visionary for the first time. I was not aware that Miles is now actually dead and replaced with his future self. Everyone is so chill about it as well. :dread:

The writers on DS9 strawberry floating loved torturing O'Brien. Poor guy.

Spoilers for horrible gooseberry fool that happens to him...
Imprisoned and tried by Cardassians
Tortured
Killed
Stuck in Mind Jail for decades
Wife is taken over by malevolent entity
Daughter falls through a time hole
Replaced by a clone assassin


And those are just the ones off the top of my head. :lol:


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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Hexx » Thu May 05, 2022 9:37 am

Picard - I don't think that was the worst episode of the season but it wasn't good. It was tired and predictable (other than the set up for next season out of left field). I don't think there was anything in there that wasn't widely predicted, often weeks ago. Poorly written too. But never as outright offensively stupid as previous weeks.



The last scene between Picard/Q was well done...I just with the actors had a better script to work with

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by RetroCora » Thu May 05, 2022 9:42 am

I'd like to watch this episode this morning - where are you getting them Hexx?

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by Hexx » Thu May 05, 2022 9:57 am

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by Lagamorph » Thu May 05, 2022 10:22 am

Hexx wrote:PMed

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