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[Lagamorph]

Unpopular opinion but I really enjoyed the Borg episode in Season 2

[captain red dog]

Finally finished the series as my wife came back angry I watched it without her so I had to restart the series with her or face divorce!

What an awesome series. Easily the best overall season of 'Trek' since at least some of the later DS9 series. Perhaps I'd even go as far to say I enjoyed that as much as season 5 of TNG, which is my personal favourite season.

I really hope Seth Mcfarlane can get it renewed. The entire cast is just so strong, the writing team seem to have hit top form, the special effects were frankly amazing for a show of this nature. Brannon Braga is completely redeemed in my eyes. He seemed completely burnt out by the end of the TNG era, but his work on The Orville seems like he is back at his peak.

God, its so refreshing to have an idyllic Sci Fi show again! Just the colour pallette alone is so refreshing!

[Hexx]

Unpopular opinion but I really enjoyed the Borg episode in Season 2

Ok. So we're can't dogpile Laga but who's going to villify him first?

[Cheeky Devlin]

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[Lagamorph]

Unpopular opinion but I really enjoyed the Borg episode in Season 2

Ok. So we're can't dogpile Laga but who's going to villify him first?

What? It actually worked really well!
It tidied up to dangling thread from First Contact of what happened with debris from the Sphere the Enterprise destroyed and never cleaned up, then also explained how there were rumours of the Borg's existence within the Federation over a decade before the initial Borg attack on Federation space in TNG. It also explained what initially drew the Borg to come so far from their own territory in the Delta Quadrant.

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Lower Decks 3x01

They got the FIRST CONTACT movie music! 

There's the crash and burn bar with it's famous one song jukebox!

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Lower Decks Episode 5. I thought it was nice since they couldn't get the original voice actors, at least they didn't try to pretend they had and just go some randos.

It's really them. Everyone sounds so old and different

[Cheeky Devlin]

The only thing giving me some hope for season 3 is the knowledge that each season has had a different overall producer in charge of it.
Season 1 was alright with some dips. Season 2 started off strong then almost instantly degenerated into the worst season of Star Trek I've ever encountered.
Season 3.... I'll watch it, just to see what they do, but I'm not being stung again. I'm going in expecting shite.



I'll watch it, but it looks as average as every other season of Discovery has.



This I'm hyped for though. Absolutely loved the first half of this season and I'm looking forward to seeing more from these characters.

[RetroCora]

Aw Prodigy is looking brilliant. Really looking forward to that kicking back off again.

[Cheeky Devlin]

TNG guest character returning for Prodigy.

Big Ronnie Cox is back as Admiral Jellico!

https://intl.startrek.com/news/nycc-202 ... mid-season

Just watched Chain of Command last week and he's great in it. Looking forward to seeing what he does in Prodigy (I'm assuming it's just gonna be a small cameo though).

EDIT: Oh and Prodigy returns on 27th (US) and 28th (Everywhere else) October.

[Lagamorph]

Discovery was lackluster in Seasons 1 and 2. I mean when your first season is so bad that the showrunners openly apologise for it then something is definitely going wrong. Then a promise to do better in Season 2 basically disregarded, before a nearly insulting hand wave ending to try and explain why they went so far off-script from the rest of Star Trek. Then Season 3 just utterly jumped the shark with a basically nonsensical main plot that within the context of Star Trek made pretty much zero sense. The whole concept of "The Burn" was utter garbage (And the explanation for it was just ), and implying that by the 31st Century Starfleet and the Federation would still be using the same Matter/Antimatter reactors fuelled by Dilithium, despite series set over 600 years earlier showing that tech already being moved away from just showed that, much like Seasons 1 and 2, not only were they ignoring canon they were going out of their way to purposefully go against it. In seasons 1 and 2 it was perfectly clear that the showrunners resented making a prequel and wanted to make a sequel series, then when they found a way to twist it into a sequel they seemed to decide they didn't want to make Star Trek but their own Sci-Fi show.

I actually did like Picard season 2 overall, but I thought the extra tragic backstory for Picard was utterly unnecessary. I've no idea why they felt the need to shoehorn in the whole thing about his mother like that. Especially when TNG showed Picard clearly recognising his mother as an old, and sane, woman. The series could have gone pretty much the same without that whole sub-plot, if they really wanted to lean into Picard's tragic past there was plenty of stuff to work with involving his brother and nephew.
Similar issue with Season 1, I really didn't see the need for the whole sub-plot about Will and Deanna's son tragically dying because the technology that could have saved him was outlawed. Did they really have to shoehorn that in to explain why the pair left Starfleet? They couldn't just say "Oh they left Starfleet to focus on their family" or something? Why kill off the kid of two beloved characters just to add in some unnecessary tragedy?
All I'm wondering is who's gonna get the shoehorned tragic backstory this time. Maybe Alexander was killed and that's why Worf has turned to pacificism? Maybe Geordi being a pervert got his wife and child killed?
It was strawberry floating hype to see Moriarty there though.

Now Prodigy I'm absolutely looking forward to after Season 1

[Cheeky Devlin]

Discovery was lackluster in Seasons 1 and 2. I mean when your first season is so bad that the showrunners openly apologise for it then something is definitely going wrong. Then a promise to do better in Season 2 basically disregarded, before a nearly insulting hand wave ending to try and explain why they went so far off-script from the rest of Star Trek. Then Season 3 just utterly jumped the shark with a basically nonsensical main plot that within the context of Star Trek made pretty much zero sense. The whole concept of "The Burn" was utter garbage (And the explanation for it was just ), and implying that by the 31st Century Starfleet and the Federation would still be using the same Matter/Antimatter reactors fuelled by Dilithium, despite series set over 600 years earlier showing that tech already being moved away from just showed that, much like Seasons 1 and 2, not only were they ignoring canon they were going out of their way to purposefully go against it. In seasons 1 and 2 it was perfectly clear that the showrunners resented making a prequel and wanted to make a sequel series, then when they found a way to twist it into a sequel they seemed to decide they didn't want to make Star Trek but their own Sci-Fi show.

I actually did like Picard season 2 overall, but I thought the extra tragic backstory for Picard was utterly unnecessary. I've no idea why they felt the need to shoehorn in the whole thing about his mother like that. Especially when TNG showed Picard clearly recognising his mother as an old, and sane, woman. The series could have gone pretty much the same without that whole sub-plot, if they really wanted to lean into Picard's tragic past there was plenty of stuff to work with involving his brother and nephew.
Similar issue with Season 1, I really didn't see the need for the whole sub-plot about Will and Deanna's son tragically dying because the technology that could have saved him was outlawed. Did they really have to shoehorn that in to explain why the pair left Starfleet? They couldn't just say "Oh they left Starfleet to focus on their family" or something? Why kill off the kid of two beloved characters just to add in some unnecessary tragedy?
All I'm wondering is who's gonna get the shoehorned tragic backstory this time. Maybe Alexander was killed and that's why Worf has turned to pacificism? Maybe Geordi being a pervert got his wife and child killed?
It was strawberry floating hype to see Moriarty there though.

Now Prodigy I'm absolutely looking forward to after Season 1

With regards to Picard, I genuinely believe that show has been written by people who don't really watch Star Trek. There's too many incongruities (As you pointed out).
I also think they don't know how to write backstory that isn't traumatic. They just don't know how to do drama without someone having a dark and awful past and it's incredibly boring when every character is like that.

It's telling that the half-second glimpse of the Borg drones in the new Prodigy trailer was also the best Borg we've had since Voyager.

[Lagamorph]

Discovery was lackluster in Seasons 1 and 2. I mean when your first season is so bad that the showrunners openly apologise for it then something is definitely going wrong. Then a promise to do better in Season 2 basically disregarded, before a nearly insulting hand wave ending to try and explain why they went so far off-script from the rest of Star Trek. Then Season 3 just utterly jumped the shark with a basically nonsensical main plot that within the context of Star Trek made pretty much zero sense. The whole concept of "The Burn" was utter garbage (And the explanation for it was just ), and implying that by the 31st Century Starfleet and the Federation would still be using the same Matter/Antimatter reactors fuelled by Dilithium, despite series set over 600 years earlier showing that tech already being moved away from just showed that, much like Seasons 1 and 2, not only were they ignoring canon they were going out of their way to purposefully go against it. In seasons 1 and 2 it was perfectly clear that the showrunners resented making a prequel and wanted to make a sequel series, then when they found a way to twist it into a sequel they seemed to decide they didn't want to make Star Trek but their own Sci-Fi show.

I actually did like Picard season 2 overall, but I thought the extra tragic backstory for Picard was utterly unnecessary. I've no idea why they felt the need to shoehorn in the whole thing about his mother like that. Especially when TNG showed Picard clearly recognising his mother as an old, and sane, woman. The series could have gone pretty much the same without that whole sub-plot, if they really wanted to lean into Picard's tragic past there was plenty of stuff to work with involving his brother and nephew.
Similar issue with Season 1, I really didn't see the need for the whole sub-plot about Will and Deanna's son tragically dying because the technology that could have saved him was outlawed. Did they really have to shoehorn that in to explain why the pair left Starfleet? They couldn't just say "Oh they left Starfleet to focus on their family" or something? Why kill off the kid of two beloved characters just to add in some unnecessary tragedy?
All I'm wondering is who's gonna get the shoehorned tragic backstory this time. Maybe Alexander was killed and that's why Worf has turned to pacificism? Maybe Geordi being a pervert got his wife and child killed?
It was strawberry floating hype to see Moriarty there though.

Now Prodigy I'm absolutely looking forward to after Season 1

With regards to Picard, I genuinely believe that show has been written by people who don't really watch Star Trek. There's too many incongruities (As you pointed out).
I also think they don't know how to write backstory that isn't traumatic. They just don't know how to do drama without someone having a dark and awful past and it's incredibly boring when every character is like that.

It's telling that the half-second glimpse of the Borg drones in the new Prodigy trailer was also the best Borg we've had since Voyager.

I get the feeling that the writers of Picard have at least watched some Star Trek. They did well with the chemistry between Q and Picard I thought, and they absolutely nailed Soong being into messing with remnants of the Augment project which continued through to his descendants until Enterprise.
But yeah, the writers seem to be totally unable to do any kind of development without tragedy. Even Seven had to suffer through Icheb being brutally murdered (Again, totally needlessly) in order to have any kind of development.

Discovery on the other hand it feels like everyone involved basically did a quick skim of Memory Alpha once before production started and then never looked at the source material ever again.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Discovery was lackluster in Seasons 1 and 2. I mean when your first season is so bad that the showrunners openly apologise for it then something is definitely going wrong. Then a promise to do better in Season 2 basically disregarded, before a nearly insulting hand wave ending to try and explain why they went so far off-script from the rest of Star Trek. Then Season 3 just utterly jumped the shark with a basically nonsensical main plot that within the context of Star Trek made pretty much zero sense. The whole concept of "The Burn" was utter garbage (And the explanation for it was just ), and implying that by the 31st Century Starfleet and the Federation would still be using the same Matter/Antimatter reactors fuelled by Dilithium, despite series set over 600 years earlier showing that tech already being moved away from just showed that, much like Seasons 1 and 2, not only were they ignoring canon they were going out of their way to purposefully go against it. In seasons 1 and 2 it was perfectly clear that the showrunners resented making a prequel and wanted to make a sequel series, then when they found a way to twist it into a sequel they seemed to decide they didn't want to make Star Trek but their own Sci-Fi show.

I actually did like Picard season 2 overall, but I thought the extra tragic backstory for Picard was utterly unnecessary. I've no idea why they felt the need to shoehorn in the whole thing about his mother like that. Especially when TNG showed Picard clearly recognising his mother as an old, and sane, woman. The series could have gone pretty much the same without that whole sub-plot, if they really wanted to lean into Picard's tragic past there was plenty of stuff to work with involving his brother and nephew.
Similar issue with Season 1, I really didn't see the need for the whole sub-plot about Will and Deanna's son tragically dying because the technology that could have saved him was outlawed. Did they really have to shoehorn that in to explain why the pair left Starfleet? They couldn't just say "Oh they left Starfleet to focus on their family" or something? Why kill off the kid of two beloved characters just to add in some unnecessary tragedy?
All I'm wondering is who's gonna get the shoehorned tragic backstory this time. Maybe Alexander was killed and that's why Worf has turned to pacificism? Maybe Geordi being a pervert got his wife and child killed?
It was strawberry floating hype to see Moriarty there though.

Now Prodigy I'm absolutely looking forward to after Season 1

With regards to Picard, I genuinely believe that show has been written by people who don't really watch Star Trek. There's too many incongruities (As you pointed out).
I also think they don't know how to write backstory that isn't traumatic. They just don't know how to do drama without someone having a dark and awful past and it's incredibly boring when every character is like that.

It's telling that the half-second glimpse of the Borg drones in the new Prodigy trailer was also the best Borg we've had since Voyager.

I get the feeling that the writers of Picard have at least watched some Star Trek. They did well with the chemistry between Q and Picard I thought, and they absolutely nailed Soong being into messing with remnants of the Augment project which continued through to his descendants until Enterprise.
But yeah, the writers seem to be totally unable to do any kind of development without tragedy. Even Seven had to suffer through Icheb being brutally murdered (Again, totally needlessly) in order to have any kind of development.

Discovery on the other hand it feels like everyone involved basically did a quick skim of Memory Alpha once before production started and then never looked at the source material ever again.

If they have watched it then I get the impression that they did so while on their phones, making cursory notes.
Q was such a disappointment last season. They took the most light-hearted, playful character in TNG and turned him into a grim, miserable version of himself, again in keeping with their need to make everything about trauma.
Then there's the constant need to find a job for Brent Spiner so they bring back yet another crazy version of Soong and they're doing it again this season with Lore.
I hated Season 2. I struggle to think of anything I liked about it after the first episode.

Anyway, time to move on from that. I get annoyed just thinking about it.

Turns out the Prodigy game comes out next week (14th). I'd forgotten it was even a thing.
It doesn't look anything special, but could be fun.

[Cheeky Devlin]

I've been kind of quiet on Lower Deck so far, but I have to say this season has continued to be weird and wonderful.

"A Mathmatically Perfect Redemption" was delightfully odd and it was great to see Agimus (Jeffrey Combs) pop up at the end. Hopefully we'll see more of them at some point.

"Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus" was damn great though. I loved the bait-and-switch with the Kirk/Sulu cameo. I loved that two of the Planets/Systems were named after Trek actors. I loved the nod to the ending of Enterprise.
It might be my favourite episode of the season so far.

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Peanut Hamper is the worst

[Cheeky Devlin]

Peanut Hamper is the worst

She is and I loved it.

Very mixed reaction to that episode. Some people really seem to dislike it.

[Jenuall]

I hadn't even realised season 3 of Lower Decks was out

Will have to get on that tonight!

[Qikz]

This season of lower decks was absolutely astounding. The finale was great.

[RetroCora]

Peanut Hamper is the worst

She is and I loved it.

Very mixed reaction to that episode. Some people really seem to dislike it.

She's such a dick, I absolutely love it.