The Star Trek Thread

[No:1 Final Fantasy Fan]

Very difficult to decide
for me its either
Scorpion
Unimatrix Zero

[Lagamorph]

All Good Things

Everything about it was just....perfect. There wasn't a single thing wrong with that episode and it was an absolutely amazing send-off for the series, ending it on a high note of optimism.
I'm sorry but the other series finales just couldn't even come close. The Best of Both Worlds was certainly impressive, seeing Picard like that and then Riker open fire with the Deflector weapon...but All Good Things just blew it out of the water.


DS9 couldn't come close. It started out as an incredibly boring show that barely resembled Star Trek until they got the Defiant. Then the Dominion War started and it actually got interesting, and then they decided to end the show with some crap about Sisko becoming a god.

Voyager had some good season finales, and I actually enjoyed Endgame as an ending to the show, and I certainly enjoyed it more than What you Leave Behind. After 7 years it was great to see the crew finally get back home, and I always enjoyed episodes with The Borg, even if they had been gimped throughout Voyager's run. I'd be interested to see the after effects of the crippling blow that Voyager dealt to the Borg in destroying the Unicomplex, though it's reasonable to assume that another Queen could easily pop online and build another one.

Enterprise doesn't get enough love in my opinion. It started out pretty strong with Broken Bow in my opinion and I enjoyed a good chunk of the first season. Shockwave was a great finale and I really loved seeing how things turned out. I was also glad to see The Borg in season 2, especially since they acted much more like the traditional Borg, a silent enemy simply taking what they needed. The Season 2 ending was....interesting...but I was very disappointed that Season 3 dragged out the Xindi arc across the entirity of the season, especially when at least a quarter of the episodes were pure filler that did little to nothing to advance the overall story save for a few lines of dialogue. The Xindi arc could and should have been wrapped up in half a season at most. The Season 3 finale and Season 4 start did only one thing right, get rid of all this Temporal Cold War shite. After that, Enterprise finally seemed to find what it should've been all along, focusing on stories that were actually related to the wider Star Trek canon. The arcs revolving around the Klingons, explaining the lack of ridges in TOS, and around the Augments and beginning the Soong family on the way to creating Data...it was all perfect. Unfortunately, These are the Voyages completely ruined it. If it hadn't been for that finale then I still think it would've been possible for Enterprise to be picked up by another network. It would've been great to see seasons revolving around the Romulan War, with Enterprise ending on the signing of the Federation charter.

[Scotticus Erroticus]

Well said. Very well said.

[mic]

Props go out to STV Basics, too.

Cesca was great all through the first two seasons, and Voyager's battle with the four Kazon warships, using holographic projections, showcased everything that was great about the series, from Janeway's determination and the crew's ingenuity, to Voyager firing multiple phaser arrays simultaneously and generally being hugely outnumbered...

That 20-odd second shot of the warships getting distracted by the holograms while voyager lays into them is still up their with the best - using models, no less! At that point, DS9 didn't yet have the Defiant, and the effects were lightyears beyond TNG.

I wanted to weep with Janeway during that last shot, where you see her watching her ship zoom away. Still... Cesca really should have just had them all killed.

[Eighthours]

That 20-odd second shot of the warships getting distracted by the holograms while voyager lays into them is still up their with the best - using models, no less! At that point, DS9 didn't yet have the Defiant, and the effects were lightyears beyond TNG.

*Geek alert*

Actually, at that point DS9 did have the Defiant. Season 3 of DS9, where the Defiant first appeared in the opening episode, aired in the same year as Season 1 of Voyager.

You're right, though, Basics is underrated!

[Lagamorph]

Best Special effect in Trek was the crash sequence from Timeless,



I still get tingles watching that sequence. It should've been the pre-credit opening...nobody would've turned off that episode.
I think they actually won an award for that sequence.

[Scotticus Erroticus]

Hmmm no, it isn't underrated as such, it is very, very popular. It's just that too much credence is given to DS9 fanboys with nothing better t do than to criticize V. It was a shame the killed off Hogan in basics though

[mic]

@ Eighthours - it must have been before Way of the Warrior though, right? I just remember thinking that I'd never seen anything like that!

Hogan!

[No:1 Final Fantasy Fan]

I just love this jump to warp sequence from Scorpion. Surely Janeway could have just used voice command to go to warp though

[mic]

A guilty pleasure... but I always wanted to see voyager crash! If only it wasn't MORE time travel...

[Lagamorph]

Janeway made Kirk look like a man who had nothing but respect for the timeline

[Eighthours]

@ Eighthours - it must have been before Way of the Warrior though, right? I just remember thinking that I'd never seen anything like that!

Hogan!

Nope, the seasons lined up thusly:

Season 6 TNG - Season 1 DS9 (staggered launch)
Season 7 TNG - Season 2 DS9
Season 3 DS9 - Season 1 VOY
Season 4 DS9 - Season 2 VOY
Season 5 DS9 - Season 3 VOY
Season 6 DS9 - Season 4 VOY
Season 7 DS9 - Season 5 VOY
Season 6 VOY
Season 7 VOY

Two memories of this: excitedly going home from sixth form to watch the vid with TNG Season 7's Gambit Part I on it, and then immediately following on with The Siege from DS9 Season 2 (the final ep of the season-opening 3 parter). strawberry floating awesome combo.

Excitedly going back to my uni halls, clutching copies of A Call To Arms (DS9 Season 5 finale) and Scorpion Part 2 (Voyager Season 3 finale).

[Eighthours]

Best Special effect in Trek was the crash sequence from Timeless,



I still get tingles watching that sequence. It should've been the pre-credit opening...nobody would've turned off that episode.
I think they actually won an award for that sequence.

DAT IMPACT.

Yeah, I winced!

[Tafdolphin]

We all agree the second Dax was ball right?

[Eighthours]

We all agree the second Dax was ball right?

Well, I wanted my balls in her, if that's what you mean. She was so cute! But yeah, obviously Jadzia Dax FTW, particularly after they started loosening her up a bit midway through season 2. If you go back to the early episodes, she was so stiff!

[Lagamorph]

Q - The ultimate troll of the universe

Is he though? If you look at it, everything he did ultimately benefited the Federation.

By introducing the Enterprise to The Borg earlier than they would've otherwise, the Federation kickstarted their weapons and ship development, something that it could be argued had been sorely lacking. By the mid-24th century the Federation fleet was rapidly becoming outdated, still filled with Excelsior, Oberth and Miranda class ships that were approaching or surpassing 100 years old, along with a couple of Ambassador and Nebula class ships. There were only 6 Galaxy class ships in the entire fleet at first, and 3 of those were lost within 8 years of commissioning. The Yamato was destroyed by the Iconian Virus, the Odyssey was destroyed by the Jem Hadar, and the Enterprise-D was destroyed by a 20 year old Klingon Warbird of all things. By showing The Borg as a threat though, the Federation threw a programme together to begin developing better weapons, and realised that building a few huge ships wasn't going to work. Ok, it was too little too late to save the 11,000 people killed/assimilated at Wof 359, but if it hadn't been for that then the Federation would've been completely outclassed by the Dominion. There'd be no Defiant Class, no Quantum Torpedoes, no Ablative Armour. The Federation would've list at a cost of millions, maybe billions, of lives before ultimately having no choice but to surrender.

Over on Voyager, it was Q who gave them a modified course that by sheer coincidence took them by a Borg Transwarp hub. And eventually, leading to the future Janeway coming back with advanced technology and getting Voyager home, bringing with them Quantum Slipstream drive, Deployable hull armour, a mass of information to assist with the Federation Transwarp programme (ongoing and failing for over 100 years, but they kept on trying) along with so much scientific data that the crew figured it was going to take years for all of it to be analysed.


Q might have had a weird sense of humour, but in the long run, he clearly cared about the Federation, Humanity in particular, and everything he did seemed designed to ensure that they survived and prospered to reach their potential.

[Victor Mildew]

Q - The ultimate troll of the universe

Is he though? If you look at it, everything he did ultimately benefited the Federation.

By introducing the Enterprise to The Borg earlier than they would've otherwise, the Federation kickstarted their weapons and ship development, something that it could be argued had been sorely lacking. By the mid-24th century the Federation fleet was rapidly becoming outdated, still filled with Excelsior, Oberth and Miranda class ships that were approaching or surpassing 100 years old, along with a couple of Ambassador and Nebula class ships. There were only 6 Galaxy class ships in the entire fleet at first, and 3 of those were lost within 8 years of commissioning. The Yamato was destroyed by the Iconian Virus, the Odyssey was destroyed by the Jem Hadar, and the Enterprise-D was destroyed by a 20 year old Klingon Warbird of all things. By showing The Borg as a threat though, the Federation threw a programme together to begin developing better weapons, and realised that building a few huge ships wasn't going to work. Ok, it was too little too late to save the 11,000 people killed/assimilated at Wof 359, but if it hadn't been for that then the Federation would've been completely outclassed by the Dominion. There'd be no Defiant Class, no Quantum Torpedoes, no Ablative Armour. The Federation would've list at a cost of millions, maybe billions, of lives before ultimately having no choice but to surrender.

Over on Voyager, it was Q who gave them a modified course that by sheer coincidence took them by a Borg Transwarp hub. And eventually, leading to the future Janeway coming back with advanced technology and getting Voyager home, bringing with them Quantum Slipstream drive, Deployable hull armour, a mass of information to assist with the Federation Transwarp programme (ongoing and failing for over 100 years, but they kept on trying) along with so much scientific data that the crew figured it was going to take years for all of it to be analysed.


Q might have had a weird sense of humour, but in the long run, he clearly cared about the Federation, Humanity in particular, and everything he did seemed designed to ensure that they survived and prospered to reach their potential.

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Bang on about Q there actually, still, he looooved to wind Picard up

[Lagamorph]

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Bang on about Q there actually, still, he looooved to wind Picard up

To be fair, can you blame him for that?

Patrick Stewart and John de Lancie just worked perfectly off each other. That was part of what made All Good Things so incredible. It perfectly captured everything that Star Trek is supposed to be about. The growth and development of the characters, the exploration of not just space but the boundaries of existance itself. Yes it's nice to have a big space battle, but sometimes the fate of the universe can simply rest on the decisions of one man, rather than a giant fleet flying around guns blazing.

[Eighthours]

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Bang on about Q there actually, still, he looooved to wind Picard up

To be fair, can you blame him for that?

Patrick Stewart and John de Lancie just worked perfectly off each other. That was part of what made All Good Things so incredible. It perfectly captured everything that Star Trek is supposed to be about. The growth and development of the characters, the exploration of not just space but the boundaries of existance itself. Yes it's nice to have a big space battle, but sometimes the fate of the universe can simply rest on the decisions of one man, rather than a giant fleet flying around guns blazing.

Yeah, the dynamics between Picard and Q were so awesome. Q Who, Deja Q, Qpid and Tapestry are my fave Q centric episodes. All Good Things is obviously one of the best eps in the entire run of the show. Actually, wouldn't that have been brilliant as the movie instead of Generations? I know that Ron Moore and Brannon Braga (the writers of both) prefer it by miles. Imagine that ep with a $30 million budget. Sigh.

"Is there a John... Luck... Pickerd here?"

[Lagamorph]

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Bang on about Q there actually, still, he looooved to wind Picard up

To be fair, can you blame him for that?

Patrick Stewart and John de Lancie just worked perfectly off each other. That was part of what made All Good Things so incredible. It perfectly captured everything that Star Trek is supposed to be about. The growth and development of the characters, the exploration of not just space but the boundaries of existance itself. Yes it's nice to have a big space battle, but sometimes the fate of the universe can simply rest on the decisions of one man, rather than a giant fleet flying around guns blazing.

Yeah, the dynamics between Picard and Q were so awesome. Q Who, Deja Q, Qpid and Tapestry are my fave Q centric episodes. All Good Things is obviously one of the best eps in the entire run of the show. Actually, wouldn't that have been brilliant as the movie instead of Generations? I know that Ron Moore and Brannon Braga (the writers of both) prefer it by miles. Imagine that ep with a $30 million budget. Sigh.

"Is there a John... Luck... Pickerd here?"

The sequence collapsing the Anti-Time Anomaly was more exciting than any big space battle in DS9 if you ask me If anything though, a huge budget probably would've ruined that episode as the staff would've been looking for anything they could to spend it on.

I didn't think Generations was actually all that bad. The only bad movie based on TNG was Insurrection, that was piss poor, worst Star Trek film ever. Generations was good, First Contact was awesome, Insurrection was appauling and Nemesis was a near perfect finish.
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