The Star Trek Thread

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Who is the best Star Trek captain?

Poll ended at Tue May 01, 2012 1:22 pm

James Tiberius Kirk
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14%
Jean-Luc Picard
15
68%
Benjamin Lafayette Sisko
2
9%
Kathryn Janeway
2
9%
Jonathan Beckett Archer
0
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by Peter Crisp » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:14 pm

The flagship of the fleet is the natural home to the horniest man in the universe.
Who better for first contact missions?
You never know when a species will need urgent re-population and Riker will be right on it.

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by Somebody Else's Problem » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:19 pm

And, with the sheer size of the Galaxy-class ship, there were thousands of chairs that needed to be mounted.

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by FatDaz » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:26 pm

No not buying it. I just don’t think he was all that interesting a character. Being horny is
Not exactly deep (ooh err). Come to think of it there weren’t really all that many characters who were good. Data was always a good focus for a story as was worf. I didn’t mind Geordie but he was a bit pathetic at times. Picard was good. I think I actually liked some of the lesser characters or bit part ones. Guinean, Ro Laren, Jellico.

When I think of DS9 there nearly every character was interesting and had development (even bashir).

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Peter Crisp » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:42 pm

Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.

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by FatDaz » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:04 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.


I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.

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by Corazon de Leon » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:07 pm

I really think that Voyager gets an undeserved bad rep. I love doing a rewatch of it once every couple of years.

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by Lagamorph » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:18 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:I really think that Voyager gets an undeserved bad rep. I love doing a rewatch of it once every couple of years.

Definitely.
It has its share of bad eps but that's no different to the other series.
I think a lot of people gooseberry fool on it for the Borg stuff, but a lot of that was down to First Contact.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Hexx » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:22 pm

FatDaz wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.


I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.



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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Lagamorph » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:40 pm

Hexx wrote:
FatDaz wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.


I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.



I never got this argument about Voyager.
It makes perfect sense that any Starship designed for long range missions would have the capability to manufacture replacement Photon Torpedoes. It's not like they're using some rare materials, the warhead is Antimatter which can literally be tapped from the ships engines.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Somebody Else's Problem » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:40 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Hexx wrote:
FatDaz wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.


I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.



I never got this argument about Voyager.
It makes perfect sense that any Starship designed for long range missions would have the capability to manufacture replacement Photon Torpedoes. It's not like they're using some rare materials, the warhead is Antimatter which can literally be tapped from the ships engines.


Not to mention they literally built 2 Delta Flyers, so making replacement torpedoes/shuttles isn't too much of a leap.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Squinty » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:24 am

Seems like some people online are writing off Picard early because of its 'wokeness'.

Not sure if they've watched Star Trek before. Probably not.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Hexx » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:20 am

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Hexx wrote:
FatDaz wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.


I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.



I never got this argument about Voyager.
It makes perfect sense that any Starship designed for long range missions would have the capability to manufacture replacement Photon Torpedoes. It's not like they're using some rare materials, the warhead is Antimatter which can literally be tapped from the ships engines.


Not to mention they literally built 2 Delta Flyers, so making replacement torpedoes/shuttles isn't too much of a leap.


Ah fanwankery at it's finest.

The views didn't make the "scarceness" of torpedos a thing. The show explicitly did. And then ignored/failed throw on it as another example of poor/lazy writing, and lack of follow through on setting. Tnat's what the video's calling out. If they never made it a thing, the video wouldn't exist.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:34 am

Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife" :toot:

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool! :lol:

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by Corazon de Leon » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:10 am

Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife" :toot:

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool! :lol:


Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:11 pm

Corazon de Leon wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife" :toot:

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool! :lol:


Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

Pretty much!

They find this guy and his wife as the only survivors on a planet that has otherwise been totally decimated, dude tries to claim he's a pacifist and when the aliens came to destroy the planet he just ignored it. Turns out that he is some all powerful being and when his wife was killed in the attack he uses his power to wipe out the entire species of aliens that attacked the planet, then he recreates his wife and carries on as normal.

Picard is like "that's messed up but what the hell we'll leave you to it!" :lol:

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:14 pm

They saved loads of resources by never giving Harry Kim a promotion and new outfit.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Peter Crisp » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:16 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife" :toot:

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool! :lol:


Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

Pretty much!

They find this guy and his wife as the only survivors on a planet that has otherwise been totally decimated, dude tries to claim he's a pacifist and when the aliens came to destroy the planet he just ignored it. Turns out that he is some all powerful being and when his wife was killed in the attack he uses his power to wipe out the entire species of aliens that attacked the planet, then he recreates his wife and carries on as normal.

Picard is like "that's messed up but what the hell we'll leave you to it!" :lol:


What exactly were the Federation supposed to do to a being who can just think entire civilisations out of existence? You may as well expect them to try and imprison Q.

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:19 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife" :toot:

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool! :lol:


Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

Pretty much!

They find this guy and his wife as the only survivors on a planet that has otherwise been totally decimated, dude tries to claim he's a pacifist and when the aliens came to destroy the planet he just ignored it. Turns out that he is some all powerful being and when his wife was killed in the attack he uses his power to wipe out the entire species of aliens that attacked the planet, then he recreates his wife and carries on as normal.

Picard is like "that's messed up but what the hell we'll leave you to it!" :lol:


What exactly were the Federation supposed to do to a being who can just think entire civilisations out of existence? You may as well expect them to try and imprison Q.

Oh I know - I said as much above, but it's the lack of any real attempt to condemn the being that irks!

"We are not qualified to be your judge" .... uh you what Jean Luc?! You may not be able to do something about it but you are more than qualified to tell him it's strawberry floating wrong and at least attempt to engage with the problem! :lol:

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PostRe: The Star Trek Thread
by Hexx » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:19 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:They saved loads of resources by never giving Harry Kim a promotion and new outfit.


I think everyone else gets promoted (Paris gets demoted and then re-promoted) other than him :lol:

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:25 pm

Hexx wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:They saved loads of resources by never giving Harry Kim a promotion and new outfit.


I think everyone else gets promoted (Paris gets demoted and then re-promoted) other than him :lol:


I have this theory that between episodes he's a complete gangster who gets up to some real dicey gooseberry fool which is why he can never be promoted no matter how many times he saves the ship or universe.
That innocent act is all a lie.

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