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Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.

Corazon de Leon wrote:I really think that Voyager gets an undeserved bad rep. I love doing a rewatch of it once every couple of years.

FatDaz wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.

I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.

Hexx wrote:

FatDaz wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.

I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.

Lagamorph wrote:

Hexx wrote:

FatDaz wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.

I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.

I never got this argument about Voyager.
It makes perfect sense that any Starship designed for long range missions would have the capability to manufacture replacement Photon Torpedoes. It's not like they're using some rare materials, the warhead is Antimatter which can literally be tapped from the ships engines.

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Hexx wrote:

FatDaz wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:Next Gen had some fantastic episodes.
The episode in the casino where they can't leave always sticks with me and Moriarty is a nice recurring character even if he is a rather cliche hologram gone wrong.

I agree and love TNG but I think the static TV episode of the week everything returns to normal by the end structure of TV in the early 90’s really hurt the characters. It’s funny that DS9 was disliked at the time for trying ongoing narrative and extended long form story telling, something that is now standard for almost all TV.

I would have liked to see TNG with actual character growth. I think this is most annoying in Voyager though. The set up was absolutely perfect for a long form narrative. Reduced supplies, limited crew, death having consequence, battered and damage ship affecting the next episode etc. I look at battle star galactica and think it nailed a lot of what voyager should have done a decade before.

I never got this argument about Voyager.
It makes perfect sense that any Starship designed for long range missions would have the capability to manufacture replacement Photon Torpedoes. It's not like they're using some rare materials, the warhead is Antimatter which can literally be tapped from the ships engines.

Not to mention they literally built 2 Delta Flyers, so making replacement torpedoes/shuttles isn't too much of a leap.

Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife"

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool!

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife"

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool!

Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

Jenuall wrote:

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife"

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool!

Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

Pretty much!

They find this guy and his wife as the only survivors on a planet that has otherwise been totally decimated, dude tries to claim he's a pacifist and when the aliens came to destroy the planet he just ignored it. Turns out that he is some all powerful being and when his wife was killed in the attack he uses his power to wipe out the entire species of aliens that attacked the planet, then he recreates his wife and carries on as normal.

Picard is like "that's messed up but what the hell we'll leave you to it!"

Peter Crisp wrote:

Jenuall wrote:

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Jenuall wrote:Yeah they tried to have their cake and eat it. Either you commit to having resource scarcity and lasting consequences to every encounter or you don't!

My TNG re-watch continues apace - watched episodes 3-5 of season 3 last night. Definitely a more consistent batch so far, certainly no true clunkers yet anyway! Much space high jinks have continued, Troi has suffered from that awful affliction which gets us all from time to time - the dreaded earworm, "The Picard" has been deified by a race of primitives after the bloke out of Twin Peaks got a look at him, and Worf effectively adopts a teenage kid who I'm sure we'll never hear of again!

Also relating to the earlier discussion of somewhat "odd" endings to episodes "The Survivors" was a bit of a strange one. A powerful alien entity basically admits to the genocide of an entire species having essentially vaporised all 50 billion of them instantly, and Picard is just like "strawberry float it, we'll call it quits. You can just hang out on this planet with your imaginary wife"

Now obviously this being was way too powerful for the crew to have actually been able to do anything but they could have at least acted like they gave a gooseberry fool!

Is that the one where it’s just a guy living in a log cabin for most of the episode With his wife and then he’s like “uh yeah, I really strawberry floated this one guys, accidentally killed an entire system full of people but it’s ok because I’m old and living in exile” and the whole crew basically just laughs it off and leaves? The log cabin and wife were illusions or some space-shit?

Pretty much!

They find this guy and his wife as the only survivors on a planet that has otherwise been totally decimated, dude tries to claim he's a pacifist and when the aliens came to destroy the planet he just ignored it. Turns out that he is some all powerful being and when his wife was killed in the attack he uses his power to wipe out the entire species of aliens that attacked the planet, then he recreates his wife and carries on as normal.

Picard is like "that's messed up but what the hell we'll leave you to it!"

What exactly were the Federation supposed to do to a being who can just think entire civilisations out of existence? You may as well expect them to try and imprison Q.

Peter Crisp wrote:They saved loads of resources by never giving Harry Kim a promotion and new outfit.

Hexx wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:They saved loads of resources by never giving Harry Kim a promotion and new outfit.

I think everyone else gets promoted (Paris gets demoted and then re-promoted) other than him