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They didn't like it because it was a crap way to end the show, but to say it's an awful piece of TV is an hysterical fanboy reaction that is rarely found outside of sci-fi shows.

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:They didn't like it because it was a crap way to end the show, but to say it's an awful piece of TV is an hysterical fanboy reaction that is rarely found outside of sci-fi shows.

Ok. I'll bite:

It fails on the basic level of story telling because the entire event it's building up to - the foundation of the federation and Archer's speach in this case, but you don't have to be a Star Trek fanboy in this case, it's basic story structure - isn't shown on screen. You see it completely happening from afar.

It fails because a character dies for no other reason than to create a moment, for a (to the original character) unknown person watching his actions. That's not an emotional pay off, it's pure manipulation in an attempt to create gravitas.

It's a terrible use of a framing device for no descernable reason. There's no need for them, they add nothing.

It's an awful example of how to put together a TV episode - without even mentioning any element of Trek. You don't have to be a "fanboy" to see the massive flaws in it's production.

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:Terra Prime was good, we should consider that the finale. These are the voyages would make a decent episode, but not good for ending a show. Incidentally, The Pegasus was a superb episode.

Just what about it would make it a decent episode? What redeeming feature has it got?

It's not an 'awful piece of TV' though, is it? I quite enjoyed it in some ways.

Lagamorph wrote:

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:Terra Prime was good, we should consider that the finale. These are the voyages would make a decent episode, but not good for ending a show. Incidentally, The Pegasus was a superb episode.

Just what about it would make it a decent episode? What redeeming feature has it got?

Why do you want to know?

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:Terra Prime was good, we should consider that the finale. These are the voyages would make a decent episode, but not good for ending a show. Incidentally, The Pegasus was a superb episode.

Just what about it would make it a decent episode? What redeeming feature has it got?

Why do you want to know?

I want to know what about the episode anybody could possibly see as anything other than a god awful mess.

I like the way it was woven into The Pegasus, mainly because that episode is brilliant, but also because the theme of loyalty was important for both crews in the same episode. It gave some light on how events would happen after the NX-01 was scrapped which I also enjoyed.

Scotticus Erroticus wrote:I like the way it was woven into The Pegasus, mainly because that episode is brilliant, but also because the theme of loyalty was important for both crews in the same episode. It gave some light on how events would happen after the NX-01 was scrapped which I also enjoyed.

But it had nothing to do with The Pegasus. I can't see how the final ever episode of Enterprise can be made into nothing more than a Riker episode, when Riker is nothing to bloody do with it.
These are the Voyagers is a badly written mess.

The only good part of it was,


Now after Season 4, which was by far the best written season of the entire show, that episode just a total disgrace.
It made the characters fly totally in the face of their established characterisation. It totally threw away 4 years of gradually building romance between Trip and T'Pol as well. 4 years of emotional investment thrown away right from the very start. No explanation, nothing.

As I said, I view Terra Prime to be the real finale. I quite enjoyed TATV though. Perhaps if they hadn't wasted so much time on the Xindi they would have been able to develop absolutely everything properly.

They "wasted time" with the Xindi because the third season arc was about the Xindi, and there was plenty of development there. These Are The Voyages is an abomination.

Lagamorph wrote:

Dr Cottle wrote:Also really surprised no one has voted for 'These are the voyages....' yet.

Because Riker having a midlife crisis on the Holodeck isn't a finale for Enterprise.

Probably should have put a smiley on the end there. It is pretty bad, especially when you look at season 4 and how good it became. Shocking end to a show that deserved better.

Well, that's pretty cool:

"Star Trek" is beaming over to London in October and boldly going where no trekkie event has gone before by bringing together all five TV captains on stage for the first time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 1320120416

Tafdolphin wrote:Well, that's pretty cool:

"Star Trek" is beaming over to London in October and boldly going where no trekkie event has gone before by bringing together all five TV captains on stage for the first time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 1320120416

AWESOME I would most like to meet Captain Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) out of all the captains.
Wonder how much tickets will cost? Will need to buy atleast 2 tickets and hopefully find a friend to go with

No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:Well, that's pretty cool:

"Star Trek" is beaming over to London in October and boldly going where no trekkie event has gone before by bringing together all five TV captains on stage for the first time.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 1320120416

AWESOME I would most like to meet Captain Janeway (Kate Mulgrew) out of all the captains.
Wonder how much tickets will cost? Will need to buy atleast 2 tickets and hopefully find a friend to go with

Grcade Trekkie meet up!

Avery Brooks is totally nuts. This will be epic.

Stayed in a hotel right by the location for this earlier this year, really nice area & venue.

Urge to go rising fast, but the mrs will probably leave me

Oh I am so tempted to go if other people on here are going.

There are going to be stunt displays, we are going to recreate some sets, and get some original sets. People will be able to sit on the starship bridge with members of the cast

Official Website - http://www.startreklondon.com


EDIT - Just saw some of the ticket packages. Jesus christ.


Silver Pass - £225

3 Day Event Access
1 Ticket to Opening Ceremony/Captain's Talk ^
4 Randomly Assigned Captains Talks
4 In-Person Autographs**
1 Bridge Photo shoot
1 Ticket to Stunt Show
Limited Edition Print
Exclusive Goodie Bag
Exclusive Silver Collectors Card



Gold Pass - £299

3 Day Event Access
1 Ticket to Opening Ceremony/Captain's Talk ^
5 Individual Captain talk tickets ~
Priority Seating in the talks
6 In-Person Autographs**
Priority Scheduled Queuing***
1 Exclusive rare signed card
1 Bridge Photo shoot
1 Ticket to Stunt Show
Limited Edition Print
Exclusive Goodie Bag
Exclusive Gold Collectors Card
1 Ticket to the Party



Platinum Pass - £899

3 Day Event Access
1 Ticket to Opening Ceremony/Captain's Talk ^
5 Individual Captain talk tickets ~
Priority Seating in the talks
5 In-Person Captain Autographs ~
2 In-Person Autographs**
Priority Scheduled Queuing***
1 Exclusive rare signed card
1 Bridge Photo shoot
1 Ticket to Stunt Show
Limited Edition Print
Exclusive Goodie Bag
Exclusive Platinum Collectors Card
1 Ticket to the Party


Also, in-person Autographs

will not include William Shatner, Patrick Stewart, Avery Brooks, Kate Mulgrew or Scott Bakula

I didn't expect it to be so expensive but I also didn't expect it to include so much. I would like to go but only the platinum pass includes the in person captain autographs

THERE are standard tickets too!!

Standard Tickets

1 Day Standard
Event Access - Valid for 1 day only
£29.00
Buy Now
2 Day Standard (Sat/Sun)
Event Access - Valid for 2 days only
Includes 1 pre-signed autograph*
£39.00
Buy Now

3 Day Standard
3 Day Event Access
1 Pre-Signed Autograph*
1 In-Person Autograph**
Limited Edition Print
Exclusive Goodie Bag
£49.00
Buy Now

A standard 3-day ticket is only about £50. I suspect you'll still be able to get most of the other stuff, but it'll involve a lot of queing up and probably an on-the-day fee.

I was almost tempted by the Silver Pass, but after reading that the In-Person Autographs don't include any of the main guests, then I don't see the point. I doubt a Stunt Show ticket and a Bridge Photo shoot will cost £175 seperately.

strawberry float me, £900 to see a bunch of washed up old actors