The Star Trek Thread

[Peter Crisp]

I thought it was part of the rules that all federation member worlds must let Riker have sex with whoever he wants.

[Victor Mildew]

I've found an hour and half long galaxy quest documentary on sky

It's called never surrender

[Squinty]

I thought it was part of the rules that all federation member worlds must let Riker have sex with whoever he wants.

Aye it is, directive 69 of Starfuck protocol.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Continuing with my Voyager rewatch I'm 10 episodes into season 6 and I've just rewatched "Pathfinder" which is the Barclay episode. Really strong one and I always love the ending.

Before that I watched "The Voyager Conspiracy", where you can sum up Seven's character with the image below.

[Cuttooth]

One of the greatest excuses for a Voyager clip show. Ryan's delivery of each conspiracy theory is just perfect.

[Cheeky Devlin]

One of the greatest excuses for a Voyager clip show. Ryan's delivery of each conspiracy theory is just perfect.

It's enjoyable nonsense, like a lot of Voyager.

[Corazon de Leon]

One of the greatest excuses for a Voyager clip show. Ryan's delivery of each conspiracy theory is just perfect.

It's enjoyable nonsense, like a lot of Voyager.

I still say Voyager is the best of the three 90s Star Trek shows(and Enterprise). Absolutely loved it, both now and when it was first airing nearly thirty years ago.

[Cheeky Devlin]

I love Voyager but there was so much untapped potential with it. It suffers from the "Big giant reset button" problem, where very few episodes have any lasting effect on the overall story and you know that by the end of the episode the status quo is going to be restored.

DS9 is the GOAT.

[Lagamorph]

I love Voyager but there was so much untapped potential with it. It suffers from the "Big giant reset button" problem, where very few episodes have any lasting effect on the overall story and you know that by the end of the episode the status quo is going to be restored.

DS9 is the GOAT.

Thing is that also makes Voyager way easier to just dip into in the middle of a series and not be too lost in what's going on. TNG is the same in that it's far easier to just dive in here and there than it is with DS9.

[Imrahil]

TNG, once it hit its stride, still just pips DS9 for me. The majority of the best ideas within the ST universe are buried within those last 3 or 4 seasons IMO.

Voyager's good, but it just couldn't shake off the feeling it was retreading old ground a lot of the time.

[Cheeky Devlin]

I love Voyager but there was so much untapped potential with it. It suffers from the "Big giant reset button" problem, where very few episodes have any lasting effect on the overall story and you know that by the end of the episode the status quo is going to be restored.

DS9 is the GOAT.

Thing is that also makes Voyager way easier to just dip into in the middle of a series and not be too lost in what's going on. TNG is the same in that it's far easier to just dive in here and there than it is with DS9.

True, but we'd already had a show like that with TNG. Voyager had so much chance to see how being isolated and alone, with no help could impact the crew and the ship but it just never really goes there. The ship gets absolutely pounded several times, but the next episode it's brand new again.

I think the Battlestar Galactica reboot is a good example of some of the things that Voyager could have done. That ship and population are strawberry floated by the end of the show.

TNG, once it hit its stride, still just pips DS9 for me. The majority of the best ideas within the ST universe are buried within those last 3 or 4 seasons IMO.

Voyager's good, but it just couldn't shake off the feeling it was retreading old ground a lot of the time.

TNG is amazing, but I do like an ongoing story, which it never really does. Nor does it need to and to be fair it's always quite close between the two for me. DS9 wins though because most of the characters are so much more fleshed out and it's got the best individual TV Trek villain in Gul Dukat.

[Corazon de Leon]

I think most fans of DS9 think it's the best of the lot and I respect that, but I think the nostalgia factor of Voyager is what keeps it at the top of my list - it is what was airing on TV when I was very young so it's what I associate Star Trek with. I love the episodic nature of it as well. Like, there was potential for a great saga of being lost in space and the psychological damage that could do to a ship's crew, but...I dunno, it just feels more like Trek than DS9 did?

[Jenuall]

Voyager was probably my favourite when watching them at the time, but it has been years since I went back to it so I don't know if it would hold up as well now. I'm planning to get round to both Voyager and DS9 once I'm done with rewatching TNG!

On which note, continuing my TNG rewatch thoughts - now onto Season 5!

Redemption Part II - Not quite as good as part 1 for me (and just beaten as a season finale/opener pairing by Best of Both Worlds) but still brilliant. I don't think I appreciated how great the Klingon episodes of TNG were back when I originally watched these. Worf continues to be the shows MVP

Darmok - Great episode, any chance to get Patrick Stewart to show off his acting chops is always going to be a winner and this episode does it with aplomb. Central premise is great and the way that Picard goes about developing his understanding of the Tamarian language is so great to watch play out. Obviously if you start thinking about it too much then you can pick holes in the Tamarian language concept - how do they express quick and direct needs, requirements or warnings for example? "DUCK!" is a lot easier to shout at someone about to get hit in the head than "Hestan and Belmar in the forest", but I can overlook that because the episode is so good!

Ensign Ro - A bit of a come down after the last few episodes, but this is still a nice Bajoran introduction. Ensign Ro is a nice addition to the crew but I'm glad she didn't come back for DS9 as Kira is a much better character.

Silicon Avatar - Data gets to put up with some more Android racism from the federation's resident boomer Kila Marr. Fortuntely Data wins her over by pretending to be her deceased son and defiling his memory by reading her extracts of his personal diary. Riker gets to spend the episode pissed off because his love interest had the gall to die before he had the opportunity to bang her. The ending was a bit gooseberry fool where they kill the crystalline entity because nobody on the bridge is apparently able to find the "off" switch for the pulse generator. Moral of the story - don't trust old people.

Disaster - Picard struggles to tackle the biggest challenge of his Starfleet career: having to put up with three kids for a few hours! No one part of this episode is especially brilliant but it works really well as we get to see some uncommon character combos and situations. Troi taking charge on the bridge and dealing with conflicting views and advice from O'Brien and Ro, Picard working out how to rescue himself and the kids all whilst suffering from a broken ankle, Worf turns midwife and delivers not only Keiko's baby but some of the best humour the show has seen to date, and Geordi and Dr Crusher have to deal with being trapped in a cargo bay with a radiation leak and some fuel barrels that are ready to explode Doom style. Oh and also Riker and Data go for a piss about in the Jefferies tubes where their combined intellect allows them to come up with the brilliant solution to their problems - fry Data's body and decapitate him! Not GOAT material but just a really great episode.

The Game - Wesley saves the day by being a square who says no to everyone's perfectly reasonably demands for him to get addicted to a mind altering videogame. What a loser!

[Cuttooth]

Shaka, when the walls fell.

[Squinty]

Temba, his arms wide.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Got Voyager on in the background and horny Janeway just created herself a holographic "Irish" boy toy.

[Corazon de Leon]

That episode is legit insane.

[Cheeky Devlin]

That episode is legit insane.

Love it.
Onto the one where the Doctor becomes a singing sensation.

Voyager is gloriously silly at times.

[Corazon de Leon]

That episode is legit insane.

Love it.
Onto the one where the Doctor becomes a singing sensation.

Voyager is gloriously silly at times.

This is why I love it! You can't be too far away from the fight of the century, Seven of Nine vs. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, either.

[Cheeky Devlin]

That episode is legit insane.

Love it.
Onto the one where the Doctor becomes a singing sensation.

Voyager is gloriously silly at times.

This is why I love it! You can't be too far away from the fight of the century, Seven of Nine vs. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, either.

It's the one after the next one I'm going to watch.