The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*

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by Tomous » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:37 am

OrangeXMS wrote:
Merry Christmous Everyone wrote:The hyperdrive weapon moment is one of the best SW moments ever


You meant the moment that retroactively made every past Star Wars space battle make no sense, and that didn't even make sense in isolation (they had like three ships but waited until they had only the one left before hyperspace jumping it into the enemy... for reasons? They could have stopped the pursuit almost immediately with the same move and kept everyone safe on the other ships, rather than evacuating on tiny lifeboats)


Yep, that moment :wub:

Star Wars has tripped over itself so many times with continuity at this point, I'll take the fantastic cinematic moment instead.

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by Jenuall » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:42 am

Merry Christmous Everyone wrote:
OrangeXMS wrote:
Merry Christmous Everyone wrote:The hyperdrive weapon moment is one of the best SW moments ever


You meant the moment that retroactively made every past Star Wars space battle make no sense, and that didn't even make sense in isolation (they had like three ships but waited until they had only the one left before hyperspace jumping it into the enemy... for reasons? They could have stopped the pursuit almost immediately with the same move and kept everyone safe on the other ships, rather than evacuating on tiny lifeboats)


Yep, that moment :wub:

Star Wars has tripped over itself so many times with continuity at this point, I'll take the fantastic cinematic moment instead.

:?:

They waited until the last moment for a variety of reasons... that are quite clear from the movie...

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:46 am

OrangeXMS wrote:I thought the 9 episode saga thing was just retroactively made up for marketing reasons. Wasn't aware that Lucas had planned for a sequel trilogy!

ROTJ wrapped everything up so they didn't need to continue on from it, but I get what you mean if that was always the intention.

He's said over the years had always planned it out in his head as three trilogies. Of course he never knew if he would get to make any of them other than the middle one.

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by 7256930752 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:21 pm

Merry Christmous Everyone wrote:
OrangeXMS wrote:
Merry Christmous Everyone wrote:The hyperdrive weapon moment is one of the best SW moments ever


You meant the moment that retroactively made every past Star Wars space battle make no sense, and that didn't even make sense in isolation (they had like three ships but waited until they had only the one left before hyperspace jumping it into the enemy... for reasons? They could have stopped the pursuit almost immediately with the same move and kept everyone safe on the other ships, rather than evacuating on tiny lifeboats)


Yep, that moment :wub:

Star Wars has tripped over itself so many times with continuity at this point, I'll take the fantastic cinematic moment instead.

I'm with you there, that definitely made the hairs on my neck stand up.

I agree with your previous point too in that despite initially being disappointed with Luke I like the overall story, that said I think just how interesting it is is massively overblown. Spaceship runs out of petrol and for reasons the bad guys can't shoot them down giving time to the buffoons to go on a trip to Intergalastic Vegas for everything to go tits up and set up the Battle of Hoth 2. It's interesting moment to moment but it falls apart under the suggest scrutiny.

I think I know what Hexx means about the casino, it's the sequels 50's diner from AoTC. Also the BB8 machine gun scene is worse than that bit from TFA. What the hell happened to the scale? BB8 must be a third of the size of an ATST head (cockpit?) by the end.

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by 7256930752 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:22 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
OrangeXMS wrote:I thought the 9 episode saga thing was just retroactively made up for marketing reasons. Wasn't aware that Lucas had planned for a sequel trilogy!

ROTJ wrapped everything up so they didn't need to continue on from it, but I get what you mean if that was always the intention.

He's said over the years had always planned it out in his head as three trilogies. Of course he never knew if he would get to make any of them other than the middle one.

How convenient that he started with a self contained story. The only thing that makes me believe that is that he didn't kill Vader.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:27 pm

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OrangeXMS wrote:I thought the 9 episode saga thing was just retroactively made up for marketing reasons. Wasn't aware that Lucas had planned for a sequel trilogy!

ROTJ wrapped everything up so they didn't need to continue on from it, but I get what you mean if that was always the intention.

He's said over the years had always planned it out in his head as three trilogies. Of course he never knew if he would get to make any of them other than the middle one.

How convenient that he started with a self contained story. The only thing that makes me believe that is that he didn't kill Vader.

You mean the original movie? Well yeah it's not a secret that there was no suggestion or guarantee that they'd get to make any more than that, so it's a mostly self contained story. That was continued into Empire and Jedi.

The 9 movie talk isn't new. It's been about for decades.

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:27 pm

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Alvin Flummux wrote:Some people are bound and determined to be negative Nancies.


This sort of comment is really annoying. It's super dismissive and lazy.

I dislike the film but have given my reasons why over in the other thread, none of which are anything to do with being childishly set against it. I've actually spent the last 2 years being the Star Wars defender extolling positives whilst others have expressed negative views.

I'm allowed to not like this, just like you're allowed to like it.


I've spent the last 20 years being told that films I enjoy are garbage (yes, the prequels), so I'm a little bitter. :shifty:

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OrangeXMS wrote:I thought the 9 episode saga thing was just retroactively made up for marketing reasons. Wasn't aware that Lucas had planned for a sequel trilogy!

ROTJ wrapped everything up so they didn't need to continue on from it, but I get what you mean if that was always the intention.


Lucas wrote so much stuff in the 70s that he simply couldn't do it all in one film, or even one trilogy. Even in 1977 he was planning on doing the sequel trilogy shooting in 2011, when Mark Hamill would be the right age to play Old Hermit Luke.

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PostRe: The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*
by Jenuall » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Yeah Lucas's plans for the franchise were always as long as expansive as some of his original titles for the first movie:

"The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars"

Thanks George, I'm sure we'll fit all that on the poster!

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by DarkRula » Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:49 pm

Count me as someone who liked it. It had a great amount of character interaction that worked, some interesting set pieces, and gave an ending to the saga that - while not anything truly new or special - worked for the setup it was given.

Could it have done things differently? Absolutely, and I'd have wanted it. Some of the mirrors worked, others not so much. And while it acknowledged The Last Jedi as having happened, it did seem as though it was also trying to act as though it never existed. And my fear was sort of right in that it doesn't follow up with how the Resistance has grown from when we last saw them.

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PostRe: The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*
by Frank » Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:12 pm

Was having fun up until the last 40 minutes or so. What was that :(

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:40 pm

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by OrangeRKN » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:19 am

I saw it and have posted more in the spoiler thread, but I think it's worth seeing as it's still Star Wars and on par with the previous two films in the trilogy

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by captain red dog » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:56 am

I hated TLJ when I first watched it. Hated it even more on second viewing. Watched it with my son last night, bloody loved it. Not sure what's happened, maybe these films do need to be viewed through the eyes of a child.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have got into the original trilogy unless I saw them as a kid.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:05 pm

I would be so happy if I ended up loving TLJ. I've seen it three times — maybe I just need to give it a couple more viewings!

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PostRe: The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*
by Tomous » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:36 pm

I Shot A Kid wrote:I would be so happy if I ended up loving TLJ. I've seen it three times — maybe I just need to give it a couple more viewings!



I mean, keep trying but at what point does it become Stockholm Syndrome? ;)

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by Parksey » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:49 pm

I Shot A Kid wrote:I would be so happy if I ended up loving TLJ. I've seen it three times — maybe I just need to give it a couple more viewings!



Try this video:



His series comes from the eyes of a proper fanboy, but some of the things he highlights does lead to a new sense of appreciation for what they were trying to do.

I can't remember The Last Jedi video per se, but I watched the ROTS one yesterday and it actually showed that Lucas did, to a certain degree, have a firm idea of what he was trying to do. I watched a few videos about ROTS actually, and it's gone up in my estimation.

I was disappointed with TLJ the first time I watched it, but watching some YouTube analysis of its themes and development helped me realise that there was a core idea between most of what the film did, and not just "subverting expectations" mindlessly or with no respect, like detractors think.

I watched the TFA one and, man, after ROS, that all makes me appreciate that film more now too (I really liked it until about 2/3 I realise where it was going, was disappointed about how much it was a backdoor reboot).

Hopefully he'll eventually do one about ROS too...

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by 7256930752 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:13 pm

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I Shot A Kid wrote:I would be so happy if I ended up loving TLJ. I've seen it three times — maybe I just need to give it a couple more viewings!



Try this video:



His series comes from the eyes of a proper fanboy, but some of the things he highlights does lead to a new sense of appreciation for what they were trying to do.

I can't remember The Last Jedi video per se, but I watched the ROTS one yesterday and it actually showed that Lucas did, to a certain degree, have a firm idea of what he was trying to do. I watched a few videos about ROTS actually, and it's gone up in my estimation.

I was disappointed with TLJ the first time I watched it, but watching some YouTube analysis of its themes and development helped me realise that there was a core idea between most of what the film did, and not just "subverting expectations" mindlessly or with no respect, like detractors think.

I watched the TFA one and, man, after ROS, that all makes me appreciate that film more now too (I really liked it until about 2/3 I realise where it was going, was disappointed about how much it was a backdoor reboot).

Hopefully he'll eventually do one about ROS too...

See that's what I find frustrating and probably what draws me back into these discussions; there is more to dislike about TLJ than simply hating it because of what they did to my precious Luke Skywalker. There are really good ideas that are beneficial to the series person but there are also some really, really bad things, the worst off which is as bad as anything in the series. I've grown to like it but I'll never put on a pedestal the way TLJers do.

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PostRe: The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*
by Parksey » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:17 pm

I dont put TLJ on a pedestal either. The middle third drags quite badly, and while the core ideas behind Finn and Poe's development arc is strong, they could have executed it better - I would have changed up the codebreaker subplot and the slowest getaway chase everas plot devices.

But it's more defending the attack that all Rian Johnson cared about was tossing out everything the fans loved. Or that the whole script and plot was dictated by deliberately approaching things from the angle of doing the opposite of what the fans loved. To my eyes, there's clearly at least thought and reason behind the decisions made, even if I don't like every single decision made.

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by Jenuall » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:12 pm

Just visiting my family Christmas, brother declares that "TLJ is gooseberry fool"

He's dead to me now.

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by OrangeRKN » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:38 pm

The frustrating thing about disliking TLJ is people assuming my reasons for it. The argument always seems to be between "subversion good so film good" and "subversion bad so film bad" while I'm more of the opinion that "subversion good but film still bad" which neither side seem to acknowledge as being a possible opinion.

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