The Star Wars Thread v2 - *NO SPOILERS*

[Gemini73]

Interesting reaction to the trailer

The trailer isn’t bad. But it takes the wrong approach. This trailer needed to get us excited. Instead, it tried to tug at our heartstrings. C-3PO saying bye to his friends, for example – that moment is trying so hard to tease our tears. In theory, this is the right thing to do. If you can make people feel something, they’re more likely to hook than if you’re giving them a bunch of great shots.

But that assumes you have the emotional pieces to back that up. For emotion to work, it must be genuine. It can’t just be music and Star Wars shots. Case in point, the C-3PO shot I mentioned. He gets all emotional saying bye to his friends yet he doesn’t even know these people. He met them a few weeks ago. So the emotion is false.

JJ would’ve done better to put everything on the table. I heard somebody talking about how awesome it would be if the trailer showed the Emperor open up a lightsaber and then the camera pans over to see Luke Skywalker open up his lightsaber. I don’t think that’s in the movie. But those are the kinds of shots they needed to show here.

The reason we might not be getting them is because JJ doesn’t like to show anything past the first act in his trailers. He’s all about surprising the audience. So I think all this stuff happens in the first act (minus that Emperor shot). The rest of the film is being saved for the movie. Which means they’re overestimating our interest. People are not going into this with the same kind of enthusiasm they’ve had in the past. If anything, they’re going in skeptically. And so not using every single shot at your disposal is like throwing Lebron James in a game and telling him he can only shoot left-handed.

My biggest concern is that the trailer doesn’t have that WOW SHOT. A great trailer has to have that one shot that sells the movie all by itself. The moment Darth Maul opens up his two-sided lightsaber, for example.

This doesn’t have that. The trailer goes all in on Rey. And while Rey has some cachet as a Star Wars character, if you were to rank every Star Wars character in popularity, she’d be lucky to end up in the top 25.

I understand why JJ did this. It’s not like you can start over again. But one of the issues Rian Johnson was too ignorant to recognize was that when he made Rey a nobody, he took a character who was already average-at-best and made her even less interesting. If Rey’s not connected to this lineage, if she’s just some random outsider, why do we care what happens to her? This is the SKYWALKER SAGA.

There are Rian Truthers out there who will tell you, “It’s good that she’s a nobody,” and tout reasons like, “That means anybody can be a Jedi!” But every real Star Wars fan knows these people are wrong. You took a character who needed a PR makeover in the second film to offset the Mary Sue criticism, and you instead made her even less important. It’s kind of baffling, to be honest.

Now maybe JJ does make Rey’s lineage relevant to the story, slamming Johnson’s dumb idea into the wall and shattering it just like Johnson slammed JJ’s Kylo helmet into the wall to shatter it. If he can do that and it MAKES SENSE? I’ll be thrilled. But there’s nothing in this trailer that gives me hope this will be anything other than an average film. And you know what? Maybe that’s a good thing. Now I’ll go into the movie with super low expectations, which will make it easier to enjoy.

Do you have a source for this, because it sounds like the inane faux-expert rantings of a sub 1000 sub YouTuber or right leaning film 'critic' with a Pepe avatar.

Nonsense, all of it.

No it is not nonsense. When it comes to Star Wars I'm afraid you really haven't a clue what you're talking about. Sorry, but you don't Taf and never have. You're just another tourist. But you do make this thread interesting nonetheless with the rubbish you continually spout about the franchise.

[Victor Mildew]

Str Wrs is srs bsns

[Tafdolphin]

Interesting reaction to the trailer

The trailer isn’t bad. But it takes the wrong approach. This trailer needed to get us excited. Instead, it tried to tug at our heartstrings. C-3PO saying bye to his friends, for example – that moment is trying so hard to tease our tears. In theory, this is the right thing to do. If you can make people feel something, they’re more likely to hook than if you’re giving them a bunch of great shots.

But that assumes you have the emotional pieces to back that up. For emotion to work, it must be genuine. It can’t just be music and Star Wars shots. Case in point, the C-3PO shot I mentioned. He gets all emotional saying bye to his friends yet he doesn’t even know these people. He met them a few weeks ago. So the emotion is false.

JJ would’ve done better to put everything on the table. I heard somebody talking about how awesome it would be if the trailer showed the Emperor open up a lightsaber and then the camera pans over to see Luke Skywalker open up his lightsaber. I don’t think that’s in the movie. But those are the kinds of shots they needed to show here.

The reason we might not be getting them is because JJ doesn’t like to show anything past the first act in his trailers. He’s all about surprising the audience. So I think all this stuff happens in the first act (minus that Emperor shot). The rest of the film is being saved for the movie. Which means they’re overestimating our interest. People are not going into this with the same kind of enthusiasm they’ve had in the past. If anything, they’re going in skeptically. And so not using every single shot at your disposal is like throwing Lebron James in a game and telling him he can only shoot left-handed.

My biggest concern is that the trailer doesn’t have that WOW SHOT. A great trailer has to have that one shot that sells the movie all by itself. The moment Darth Maul opens up his two-sided lightsaber, for example.

This doesn’t have that. The trailer goes all in on Rey. And while Rey has some cachet as a Star Wars character, if you were to rank every Star Wars character in popularity, she’d be lucky to end up in the top 25.

I understand why JJ did this. It’s not like you can start over again. But one of the issues Rian Johnson was too ignorant to recognize was that when he made Rey a nobody, he took a character who was already average-at-best and made her even less interesting. If Rey’s not connected to this lineage, if she’s just some random outsider, why do we care what happens to her? This is the SKYWALKER SAGA.

There are Rian Truthers out there who will tell you, “It’s good that she’s a nobody,” and tout reasons like, “That means anybody can be a Jedi!” But every real Star Wars fan knows these people are wrong. You took a character who needed a PR makeover in the second film to offset the Mary Sue criticism, and you instead made her even less important. It’s kind of baffling, to be honest.

Now maybe JJ does make Rey’s lineage relevant to the story, slamming Johnson’s dumb idea into the wall and shattering it just like Johnson slammed JJ’s Kylo helmet into the wall to shatter it. If he can do that and it MAKES SENSE? I’ll be thrilled. But there’s nothing in this trailer that gives me hope this will be anything other than an average film. And you know what? Maybe that’s a good thing. Now I’ll go into the movie with super low expectations, which will make it easier to enjoy.

Do you have a source for this, because it sounds like the inane faux-expert rantings of a sub 1000 sub YouTuber or right leaning film 'critic' with a Pepe avatar.

Nonsense, all of it.

No it is not nonsense. When it comes to Star Wars I'm afraid you really haven't a clue what you're talking about. Sorry, but you don't Taf and never have. You're just another tourist. But you do make this thread interesting nonetheless with the rubbish you continually spout about the franchise.

Careful now. We don't need any more apology threads. I was asking where it came from?

[Gemini73]

Interesting reaction to the trailer

The trailer isn’t bad. But it takes the wrong approach. This trailer needed to get us excited. Instead, it tried to tug at our heartstrings. C-3PO saying bye to his friends, for example – that moment is trying so hard to tease our tears. In theory, this is the right thing to do. If you can make people feel something, they’re more likely to hook than if you’re giving them a bunch of great shots.

But that assumes you have the emotional pieces to back that up. For emotion to work, it must be genuine. It can’t just be music and Star Wars shots. Case in point, the C-3PO shot I mentioned. He gets all emotional saying bye to his friends yet he doesn’t even know these people. He met them a few weeks ago. So the emotion is false.

JJ would’ve done better to put everything on the table. I heard somebody talking about how awesome it would be if the trailer showed the Emperor open up a lightsaber and then the camera pans over to see Luke Skywalker open up his lightsaber. I don’t think that’s in the movie. But those are the kinds of shots they needed to show here.

The reason we might not be getting them is because JJ doesn’t like to show anything past the first act in his trailers. He’s all about surprising the audience. So I think all this stuff happens in the first act (minus that Emperor shot). The rest of the film is being saved for the movie. Which means they’re overestimating our interest. People are not going into this with the same kind of enthusiasm they’ve had in the past. If anything, they’re going in skeptically. And so not using every single shot at your disposal is like throwing Lebron James in a game and telling him he can only shoot left-handed.

My biggest concern is that the trailer doesn’t have that WOW SHOT. A great trailer has to have that one shot that sells the movie all by itself. The moment Darth Maul opens up his two-sided lightsaber, for example.

This doesn’t have that. The trailer goes all in on Rey. And while Rey has some cachet as a Star Wars character, if you were to rank every Star Wars character in popularity, she’d be lucky to end up in the top 25.

I understand why JJ did this. It’s not like you can start over again. But one of the issues Rian Johnson was too ignorant to recognize was that when he made Rey a nobody, he took a character who was already average-at-best and made her even less interesting. If Rey’s not connected to this lineage, if she’s just some random outsider, why do we care what happens to her? This is the SKYWALKER SAGA.

There are Rian Truthers out there who will tell you, “It’s good that she’s a nobody,” and tout reasons like, “That means anybody can be a Jedi!” But every real Star Wars fan knows these people are wrong. You took a character who needed a PR makeover in the second film to offset the Mary Sue criticism, and you instead made her even less important. It’s kind of baffling, to be honest.

Now maybe JJ does make Rey’s lineage relevant to the story, slamming Johnson’s dumb idea into the wall and shattering it just like Johnson slammed JJ’s Kylo helmet into the wall to shatter it. If he can do that and it MAKES SENSE? I’ll be thrilled. But there’s nothing in this trailer that gives me hope this will be anything other than an average film. And you know what? Maybe that’s a good thing. Now I’ll go into the movie with super low expectations, which will make it easier to enjoy.

Do you have a source for this, because it sounds like the inane faux-expert rantings of a sub 1000 sub YouTuber or right leaning film 'critic' with a Pepe avatar.

Nonsense, all of it.

No it is not nonsense. When it comes to Star Wars I'm afraid you really haven't a clue what you're talking about. Sorry, but you don't Taf and never have. You're just another tourist. But you do make this thread interesting nonetheless with the rubbish you continually spout about the franchise.

Careful now. We don't need any more apology threads. I was asking where it came from?

It's okay Taf, no such thread will be required. You'll have "drawn a line under it" long before that.

Come back to me when your knowledge of Star Wars extends beyond a handful of movies, there's a good chap.

[Tafdolphin]

So, no source then?

EDIT: Also I genuinely thought you were joking about that tourist stuff. That's called gatekeeping and is a really bad look.

Also you don't know me and my history with the franchise. So, you know, chill out and stop assuming stuff?

[Gemini73]

So, no source then?

EDIT: Also I genuinely thought you were joking about that tourist stuff. That's called gatekeeping and is a really bad look.

Also you don't know me and my history with the franchise. So, you know, chill out and stop assuming stuff?

You'd dismiss it regardless of the source but here you go, knock yourself out.

http://scriptshadow.net/star-wars-episo ... -reaction/

*edit*

Do you have a source for this, because it sounds like the inane faux-expert rantings of a sub 1000 sub YouTuber or right leaning film 'critic' with a Pepe avatar.

Nonsense, all of it.

It was painfully transparent what you were attempting here, as per your MO. I'm just pleased I was able to accommodate you.

[Pedz]

Interesting reaction to the trailer

The trailer isn’t bad. But it takes the wrong approach. This trailer needed to get us excited. Instead, it tried to tug at our heartstrings. C-3PO saying bye to his friends, for example – that moment is trying so hard to tease our tears. In theory, this is the right thing to do. If you can make people feel something, they’re more likely to hook than if you’re giving them a bunch of great shots.

But that assumes you have the emotional pieces to back that up. For emotion to work, it must be genuine. It can’t just be music and Star Wars shots. Case in point, the C-3PO shot I mentioned. He gets all emotional saying bye to his friends yet he doesn’t even know these people. He met them a few weeks ago. So the emotion is false.

JJ would’ve done better to put everything on the table. I heard somebody talking about how awesome it would be if the trailer showed the Emperor open up a lightsaber and then the camera pans over to see Luke Skywalker open up his lightsaber. I don’t think that’s in the movie. But those are the kinds of shots they needed to show here.

The reason we might not be getting them is because JJ doesn’t like to show anything past the first act in his trailers. He’s all about surprising the audience. So I think all this stuff happens in the first act (minus that Emperor shot). The rest of the film is being saved for the movie. Which means they’re overestimating our interest. People are not going into this with the same kind of enthusiasm they’ve had in the past. If anything, they’re going in skeptically. And so not using every single shot at your disposal is like throwing Lebron James in a game and telling him he can only shoot left-handed.

My biggest concern is that the trailer doesn’t have that WOW SHOT. A great trailer has to have that one shot that sells the movie all by itself. The moment Darth Maul opens up his two-sided lightsaber, for example.

This doesn’t have that. The trailer goes all in on Rey. And while Rey has some cachet as a Star Wars character, if you were to rank every Star Wars character in popularity, she’d be lucky to end up in the top 25.

I understand why JJ did this. It’s not like you can start over again. But one of the issues Rian Johnson was too ignorant to recognize was that when he made Rey a nobody, he took a character who was already average-at-best and made her even less interesting. If Rey’s not connected to this lineage, if she’s just some random outsider, why do we care what happens to her? This is the SKYWALKER SAGA.

There are Rian Truthers out there who will tell you, “It’s good that she’s a nobody,” and tout reasons like, “That means anybody can be a Jedi!” But every real Star Wars fan knows these people are wrong. You took a character who needed a PR makeover in the second film to offset the Mary Sue criticism, and you instead made her even less important. It’s kind of baffling, to be honest.

Now maybe JJ does make Rey’s lineage relevant to the story, slamming Johnson’s dumb idea into the wall and shattering it just like Johnson slammed JJ’s Kylo helmet into the wall to shatter it. If he can do that and it MAKES SENSE? I’ll be thrilled. But there’s nothing in this trailer that gives me hope this will be anything other than an average film. And you know what? Maybe that’s a good thing. Now I’ll go into the movie with super low expectations, which will make it easier to enjoy.

Do you have a source for this, because it sounds like the inane faux-expert rantings of a sub 1000 sub YouTuber or right leaning film 'critic' with a Pepe avatar.

Nonsense, all of it.

http://scriptshadow.net/star-wars-episode-9-trailer-reaction/

This may be the site. I can't be certain I just copied then pasted the above into Google

[Tafdolphin]

Ha.

I used to read scriptshadow religiously back in the day. It was a great resource for scripts and comment and introduced me to the Black List and other screenplay awards. I dropped off when he stopped posting scripts after getting into trouble for it.

I went back to him a few weeks ago actually, when Carnival Row came out. I quote tweeted him on twitter, mentioned him on here. Then I decided to do a little digging:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/ ... ow_carson/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/ ... iptshadow/

These days it seems he's started getting a bit alt-righty, inserting terms like 'cuck' and 'SJW' into his reviews. Also:

My favorite thing is his burning, transparent hatred for anything to do with Rian Johnson after Rian and some other pros mocked him on twitter.

and

His review of Into the Spider-Verse, which was mostly a rant about diversity and how PC is being forced into scripts.

(which is here: http://scriptshadow.net/movie-review-sp ... iderverse/ and is...yikes)

So yeah. I can't dismiss him as I used to love his stuff but his Star Wars opinion (and that Spiderverse review. Really, yikes) is dead wrong.

[Hexx]

Well that escalated

[Hexx]

Well that escalated

[Venom]

Come on people, why does every discussion have to deteriorate into antifa-leftist cucklords vs alt-right-fascist edgelords?

Let’s just chat about Star Wars, agreeing and disagreeing in a friendly manner.

[DarkRula]

LEGO Yoda Chronicles is the only canon that matters.

Fight me.

[Pedz]

Ha.

I used to read scriptshadow religiously back in the day. It was a great resource for scripts and comment and introduced me to the Black List and other screenplay awards. I dropped off when he stopped posting scripts after getting into trouble for it.

I went back to him a few weeks ago actually, when Carnival Row came out. I quote tweeted him on twitter, mentioned him on here. Then I decided to do a little digging:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/ ... ow_carson/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/ ... iptshadow/

These days it seems he's started getting a bit alt-righty, inserting terms like 'cuck' and 'SJW' into his reviews. Also:

My favorite thing is his burning, transparent hatred for anything to do with Rian Johnson after Rian and some other pros mocked him on twitter.

and

His review of Into the Spider-Verse, which was mostly a rant about diversity and how PC is being forced into scripts.

(which is here: http://scriptshadow.net/movie-review-sp ... iderverse/ and is...yikes)

So yeah. I can't dismiss him as I used to love his stuff but his Star Wars opinion (and that Spiderverse review. Really, yikes) is dead wrong.

I've never heard of the place. tbh. I have no knowledge of anything on there. Spider-verse is strawberry floating amazing though

[Oblomov Boblomov]

Count me in the rapidly dwindling still very excited to see this gang.

It's going to be awesome .

[Alvin Flummux]

Count me in the rapidly dwindling still very excited to see this gang.

It's going to be awesome .

Star Wars hype train solidarity.

Going to see it on the Thursday night first showing.

[DarkRula]

Hey, you can still be hyped and have reservations about the quality.

[Jenuall]

Ha.

I used to read scriptshadow religiously back in the day. It was a great resource for scripts and comment and introduced me to the Black List and other screenplay awards. I dropped off when he stopped posting scripts after getting into trouble for it.

I went back to him a few weeks ago actually, when Carnival Row came out. I quote tweeted him on twitter, mentioned him on here. Then I decided to do a little digging:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/ ... ow_carson/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Screenwriting/ ... iptshadow/

These days it seems he's started getting a bit alt-righty, inserting terms like 'cuck' and 'SJW' into his reviews. Also:

My favorite thing is his burning, transparent hatred for anything to do with Rian Johnson after Rian and some other pros mocked him on twitter.

and

His review of Into the Spider-Verse, which was mostly a rant about diversity and how PC is being forced into scripts.

(which is here: http://scriptshadow.net/movie-review-sp ... iderverse/ and is...yikes)

So yeah. I can't dismiss him as I used to love his stuff but his Star Wars opinion (and that Spiderverse review. Really, yikes) is dead wrong.

I've never heard of the place. tbh. I have no knowledge of anything on there. Spider-verse is strawberry floating amazing though

Interesting reading Taf thanks for the links - thought the guy sounded a bit wonky from the quote earlier but digging deeper it seems he's definitely not one who's opinion I could hold in any great standing!

Also Spider-Verse is incredible so that just confirms it!

[Gemini73]

Come on people, why does every discussion have to deteriorate into antifa-leftist cucklords vs alt-right-fascist edgelords?

Because Taf. In fact, I think that him being unable to insert then derail the Greedfall thread with his 'politics' still smarts somewhat.

But yes, less left Vs right of real world politics and more Star Wars.

However, I do like the mental gymnastics on display here:

"This guy didn't like Into the Spiderverse. We're right about the new trilogy and everyone else is wrong. Na-na!"(sticks out tongue)

[Tafdolphin]

Come on people, why does every discussion have to deteriorate into antifa-leftist cucklords vs alt-right-fascist edgelords?

Because Taf. In fact, I think that him being unable to insert then derail the Greedfall thread with his 'politics' still smarts somewhat.

But yes, less left Vs right of real world politics and more Star Wars.

Please, please try to stop taking a difference of opinion so personally. You posted an opinion I found terrible and you took it as a personal slight.

That's not how discussion boards work.

And please. Let's forgo the DM in an hour or so apologising for getting heated. Just...try not to get heated? You're a decent poster when you're not going batshit after someone tells you your opinions aren't objectively correct.

[Gemini73]

I'm not getting heated.

And you're a fine one to be berating anyone for 'going batshit' when their opinions aren't agreed by the entire forum. Surprised you haven't requested a thread ban yet. That's your usual trick.