Hime wrote:Jenuall wrote:Hime wrote:I get people not liking TRoS but I don't understand how anyone can think this yet still think TLJ is not only good but one of the best Star Wars films. I know it became 'internet cool' to like it but it has all the same problems.
What? TLJ and TRoS are so completely different that this comment makes zero sense. I love TLJ but can at least comprehend the things that people don't like about it even whilst I strongly disagree with them.
The problems that TRoS has are so fundamentally different - it's simply a horribly put together movie.
From plot to dialogue, characterisation to basic plausibility, nothing about it works. It's supposed to be the culmination of 40 odd years worth of story but it builds on nothing, pays off nothing and wastes every possible opportunity to do something good or interesting with these characters.
Jedi may not be what some people wanted but at the very least it's a competently put together movie!
Off the top of my head:
Plot - Canto Blight arc, Rose stopping Finn, Poe mutiny, Snoke
Dialogue - Mum joke, feel the force,
Characterisation - Luke's character overhaul
Plausibility - Leah flying, BB8 suddenly being the size of an AT-ST 'head', the light speed jump
I have no problem with Canto Bight, is it the greatest sequence in SW history? Definitely not, but it works within the context of the scenario established, unlike mecha-Palpatine, magic knives all, "sorry I can't translate the sith code for you so we have to reboot my memory even though there are a million simpler ways to solve the problem" and all the other bullshit we get from TRoS!
Rose stopping Finn? At the start when he tries to desert the
rebels resistance? What's wrong with that? He's not the hero people want him to be, he doesn't want to die for a cause that he's not bought into, Rose is loyal to her core and just lost her sister to the empire, of course she's going to stop him running away!
Poe is established as a hot head, he thinks he knows best, has seen that the resistance have just been decimated by the first order attack on their base and during the massively failed bombing run. Add to that he's lost his leader in Leia and sees her replaced with someone he doesn't know or trust and who seemingly has no plan for what to do - how does him taking matters into his own hands (along with others who agree with him) and trying to rescue the situation not make sense from the perspective of his character?
Snoke? Literally have no idea what the problem is here plot wise?
Dialogue? I like the mum joke! It works well enough, is in line with the established character of Poe (practically his first lines when introduced in TFA are to take the piss out of Kylo's voice FFS!) and serves its purpose - to piss of Huxx and distract him.
Luke. I still have zero understanding of people's problem with how he was handled in this! What exactly is wrong? The guy has gone hermit yes but it's very well articulated why and the film takes him through a full arc of development relating to it. Also it's TFA that establishes the idea that Luke has given up on helping the resistance and dicked off to an island hidden away from everyone what was the TLJ supposed to do, have Rey turn up and Luke go "oh gooseberry fool, you guys need me!? I never knew! I had no reason to disappear and just hide here whilst you all died so now that you've come to get me I'll be right along to help!"
Yep Super Leia is gooseberry fool, no problems with that one - I don't think it's necessarily implausible though, SW has established elsewhere that force users can survive in space so it's not completely insane. The BB8 AT-ST scene is equally janky yep, but that's pretty low level visual stuff compared to the fact the core of TRoS doesn't fundamentally make any sense, whatsoever - I'll take a wonky size droid over a hidden super army of death Star destroyers that have been built in secret for 30 years any day!