Tafdolphin wrote:I laughed at both the 'reach out' AND phone call gags.
Reach out/slap I'll give you. That got a proper laugh
Phone Call....you're a moron.
Joking aside. Fine if you like it. But you've got to admit it's utterly out of place in the film (and makes no sense). One of the most memorable bits when I saw it was this...because there was just a stunned silence in the theater. Like..."Is this an Orange Phone Commercial still?"
I don't really know what you're referring to here as... you don't refer to anything here.
"They can hear us, but they're just not responding" springs immediately to mind as the most egregious example
We literally
just saw it happen - it's a powerful scene after Leia's certainty - but the audience has to be told in case this film put them into a coma. Chance at a good moment....film undercuts it.
I think you're confusing plot with narrative. It's plot is super simple: The Resistance have to escape the First Order. Rey tries to convince Luke to enter the fight. Finn, Poe and Rose attempt to aid the escape of the fleet. It's narrative is, yes, messy but it all works towards a common theme that seeks to upend the tropes established by previous Star Wars films. If it does that successfully is, yes, debatable.
The Resistance fleet has to escape the First Order. One First Order Ship can track through Hyperspace (they know this) - they somehow only 1 SpaceUnit of SpaceFuel left (every ship in the fleet too)
The fleet doesn't split up because...?
Ships come and come from the Resistance fleet left right and center but no one else can because?
And so on...
Later on they decide to fly ships (that can be seen out the strawberry floating window of the first order bridge) off in "secret".
The CENTRAL plot is nonsense (that's before we address) if you spend 1 second thinking about it. And it then the film repeatedly highlights this just in case you missed it
It's a flimsy plot where you can see the hands of the writers trying to force nonsensical situations to try to manufacture tension.
As mentioned, one of the themes is failure. These are people in a desperate situation seeking desperately to get out of it. Any stupid decisions made are made naturally in keeping with this and are not forced in the slightest.
Without even thinking
Poe wasn't desperate when he killed everyone at the start - to be the hero. They had an escape plan, he pushed for glory - not for survival. There's no desperation there.
Kylo is killing the entire fleet. "Fall back we can't cover you". You what General Ginger? He's massacring them! No desperation there but it has to be done or the movie would be 20 minutes long.
Snoke was desperate when he fell for such an obvious ploy?
Or Phasma when she decided to execute them in the most OTT manner possible?
Or Poe when he decided the moment before certain death of the entire resistance is NOT the moment to push a suicide mission that's they're only hope to escape certain death. That's not desperation. That's blind hope. (It's almost like he'd read the script and knew another solution would come in 5 minted)#
I don't think one of the themes is failure btw
As far as I'd want to go to call you objectively wrong, this is it. As I mentioned previously the film has a strict aesthetic theme revolving around the presence or lack of the colour red and the violence and aggression it symbolises. The throne room, Crait, the design of the new ships, the call-back to the TIE fighter duel from A New Hope*... it's a stunning looking film and far more visually distinct than the, yes, rather bland Force Awakens.
I've avoided that comparison to try and show my objective problems with it.
And? Taking this at face value Red = Aggression isn't new or exciting? At the best it's tired. It doesn't even do anything interesting with the Red.
So you don't actually address the piss poor Casino section (one of the only two real new locations in the film) - and admit the film relies (largely) on others work/designs? It's pretty poor on it's own at adding anything to the world.
Adam Driver superseded Darth Vader as the best Star Wars villain in this film, no small part due to his performance. His confrontation with Rey after the Throne room duel was incredible, emotions all over the shop. Not everyone is great: Boyega hams it up something rotten and Dern is wasted, but I'd say on average the acting was on a level with, or better than, TFA
.
I've avoided that comparison to try and show my objective problems with it.
Every single actor in this film puts in a subpar performance based on what we know they're capable of (from any other film/etc not just Star Wars). Edit - Actually I think Hamil does pretty well. Which given he hated it shows what a professional he is
And if you think Kylo's an effective villain there might actually be no hope you [Love you really]. (He's potentially an interesting character...but he's a pathetic villain. No wonder (Episode IX trailer spoiler)
They're bringing back the Emporer)
I think lots of people like it because they think (and to be fair they're right) it's subverse or upends expectations.
But they don't actually look at what it did. and a're happy for what it wasn't (e.g. you've resorted to comparisons to TFA
)
I don't think it's the worst film ever - but it's about a 3 or 4/10.
[I actually thought the music was one of the most disappointing parts and that can't be blamed on RJ. Even the prequels, yes I'm reference SW films now
, had some great music)