The Unpopular Opinion Thread

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by grog monster 64 » Mon May 18, 2020 3:14 pm

The more time that passes, the more I rate Last Jedi. I think it takes most characters’ stories in an interesting direction, the battle on Crait is visually stunning and emotionally satisfying, and it really stands up to repeat viewings.

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by Jenuall » Mon May 18, 2020 3:15 pm

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by Steve » Mon May 18, 2020 3:19 pm

grog monster 64 wrote:The more time that passes, the more I rate Last Jedi. I think it takes most characters’ stories in an interesting direction, the battle on Crait is visually stunning and emotionally satisfying, and it really stands up to repeat viewings.


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by grog monster 64 » Mon May 18, 2020 3:25 pm

Indeed I am in earnest. I love it. Watched a wee bit with the kids last night, and I could have watched the whole thing quite happily.
Luke learns to accept and face up to his failings.
Poe learns to be a leader.
Finn decides who he wants to be.
And Leia... well, looks like she had a particularly tough paper round. In Colombia. But her scene with Luke is great.

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by Lex-Man » Mon May 18, 2020 3:31 pm

I quite like both of ROS and TLJ. TLJ surprised me with the way it subverted the Star Wars lore and ROS was a fun romp.

I think both have massive problems when put into their place in the Trilogy and a greater problem when put alongside all the movies.

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by Dowbocop » Mon May 18, 2020 3:50 pm

LightWanderer wrote:
Tomous wrote:To be fair, I've enjoyed films I wouldn't watch again. I wouldn't say that's a sign of lack of quality. I'm sure that ROS has plenty of other signs mind you.


Joker is incredible but wouldn't watch that again.

ROS is what Scorsese was on about when he called blockbusters "theme park rides", he just used the wrong example.

Dowbocop wrote:So you're saying skip A New Hope but watch Revenge of the Sith?


If time was limited and they couldn't also watch the two mediocre ones (ANH and ROS) then yes.
For the record I watched the prequels before watching the original trilogy.

Don't EVER tell anyone to do that. I'd honestly tell them not to bother if they were going to watch the films for the first time in that way.

Let's unpack this a little bit for the sake of argument:

- Obi Wan will turn from his young Ewan Macgregor form to an old ghost called Ben with no explanation whatsoever, and I don't think the ghost is ever explicitly called Obi Wan until ROTJ (with no reference to his alter ego), so who the strawberry float is Ben?

- Luke has a lightsaber, where the strawberry float did this come from?

- Who the strawberry float is Han Solo?

- There is precisely zero point through any of the films where you think Anakin is dead, completely ruining the Empire Strikes Back twist.

There are probably more reasons that this would be terrible but that's all I can be bothered to write.

For the record ANH is my favourite film of all time, but I don't think many people would dump it for the least steamy prequel turd...

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by Moggy » Mon May 18, 2020 4:01 pm

Steve wrote:
grog monster 64 wrote:The more time that passes, the more I rate Last Jedi. I think it takes most characters’ stories in an interesting direction, the battle on Crait is visually stunning and emotionally satisfying, and it really stands up to repeat viewings.


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Steve wrote:
Drumstick wrote:I'm with you guys.

Lord of the Ring sucks.


Almost as much as The Hobbit.



And Steve thinks that being abused by his teachers helped his mental state.

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by Squinty » Mon May 18, 2020 4:12 pm

A New Hope is strawberry floating boring. Like seriously.

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by LightWanderer » Mon May 18, 2020 4:12 pm

Dowbocop wrote:Let's unpack this a little bit for the sake of argument:

- Obi Wan will turn from his young Ewan Macgregor form to an old ghost called Ben with no explanation whatsoever, and I don't think the ghost is ever explicitly called Obi Wan until ROTJ (with no reference to his alter ego), so who the strawberry float is Ben?

- Luke has a lightsaber, where the strawberry float did this come from?

- Who the strawberry float is Han Solo?

- There is precisely zero point through any of the films where you think Anakin is dead, completely ruining the Empire Strikes Back twist.

There are probably more reasons that this would be terrible but that's all I can be bothered to write.

For the record ANH is my favourite film of all time, but I don't think many people would dump it for the least steamy prequel turd...


Think you misunderstood.

I watched the 3 prequels
Then the 3 originals
Then the 3 sequels

If you understood, then yeah you're right they need to watch ANH for necessary information but it's still okay to watch after the prequels.

The Anakin Vader twist is so well known it's kinda impossible not to know it. Toy Story 2 ruined it for me but it's also in The Simpsons and other parodies.

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by Dowbocop » Mon May 18, 2020 4:40 pm

LightWanderer wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:Let's unpack this a little bit for the sake of argument:

- Obi Wan will turn from his young Ewan Macgregor form to an old ghost called Ben with no explanation whatsoever, and I don't think the ghost is ever explicitly called Obi Wan until ROTJ (with no reference to his alter ego), so who the strawberry float is Ben?

- Luke has a lightsaber, where the strawberry float did this come from?

- Who the strawberry float is Han Solo?

- There is precisely zero point through any of the films where you think Anakin is dead, completely ruining the Empire Strikes Back twist.

There are probably more reasons that this would be terrible but that's all I can be bothered to write.

For the record ANH is my favourite film of all time, but I don't think many people would dump it for the least steamy prequel turd...


Think you misunderstood.

I watched the 3 prequels
Then the 3 originals
Then the 3 sequels

If you understood, then yeah you're right they need to watch ANH for necessary information but it's still okay to watch after the prequels.

The Anakin Vader twist is so well known it's kinda impossible not to know it. Toy Story 2 ruined it for me but it's also in The Simpsons and other parodies.

Oh yeah, I know you watched them all. I was saying that if a Star Wars virgin (arnt dey all hurr durr) could only watch three films, it's got to be 4, 5 and 6. Forget the prequels, forget the new trilogy, forget the SW Stories.

I'm currently doing a full watch through with my wife because we'd never actually got around to going all the way through in a curated order and it's a good time to do it now all the films are easily available on streaming. Until Saturday I'd actually only seen ROTS once, at the cinema on day one. Our order:

ANH, ESB, TPM, AOTC, ROTS, R1, ROTJ, SOLO, TFA, TLJ, ROS.

Watching the prequels as a flashback in between Empire and Jedi isn't new, but knowing where to put Rogue One and Solo is tricky. I put Rogue One after ROTS because it's essentially Ep 3.5. I put Solo as another flashback between Jedi and TFA because it puts the climax of Han Solo's story into perspective and it creates a bit of "real" time between the original trilogy and the new trilogy.

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by LightWanderer » Mon May 18, 2020 4:46 pm

Yeah Dowbo in that case you make a good argument. Only have time for three movies? Although personally I think RotS is better on its own merits, ANH is more essential to the other two movies being watched.

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by Tomous » Mon May 18, 2020 5:21 pm

LightWanderer wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:Let's unpack this a little bit for the sake of argument:

- Obi Wan will turn from his young Ewan Macgregor form to an old ghost called Ben with no explanation whatsoever, and I don't think the ghost is ever explicitly called Obi Wan until ROTJ (with no reference to his alter ego), so who the strawberry float is Ben?

- Luke has a lightsaber, where the strawberry float did this come from?

- Who the strawberry float is Han Solo?

- There is precisely zero point through any of the films where you think Anakin is dead, completely ruining the Empire Strikes Back twist.

There are probably more reasons that this would be terrible but that's all I can be bothered to write.

For the record ANH is my favourite film of all time, but I don't think many people would dump it for the least steamy prequel turd...


Think you misunderstood.

I watched the 3 prequels
Then the 3 originals
Then the 3 sequels

If you understood, then yeah you're right they need to watch ANH for necessary information but it's still okay to watch after the prequels.

The Anakin Vader twist is so well known it's kinda impossible not to know it. Toy Story 2 ruined it for me but it's also in The Simpsons and other parodies.


What age were you when you watched them?

I was fortunate in that I was 9-10 in the pre Internet age when I saw the originals (round a mates house) so the twists were all new to me.

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by LightWanderer » Mon May 18, 2020 5:32 pm

Tomous wrote:I was fortunate in that I was 9-10 in the pre Internet age when I saw the originals (round a mates house) so the twists were all new to me.


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The internet had very much been a thing for quite a while by the time I watched them :P

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by Lex-Man » Mon May 18, 2020 5:36 pm

I don't understand how anyone could think that the ST Prequel films are better than the Original Trilogy. It's like saying that Rocky V was the best Rocky Movie.

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by Outrunner » Mon May 18, 2020 6:26 pm

Lex-Man wrote:I don't understand how anyone could think that the ST Prequel films are better than the Original Trilogy. It's like saying that Rocky V was the best Rocky Movie.


I think some of it depends on when you saw them. If you were a kid and didn't really see the faults the chances are you're going to remember it fondly and perhaps overlook some of the problems now that you're older.

I have to admit that my feelings about the prequels have softened over the years. I still don't rate them above the originals but I have a certain fondness for them.

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by Vermilion » Mon May 18, 2020 6:50 pm

Tomous wrote:I was fortunate in that I was 9-10 in the pre Internet age when I saw the originals (round a mates house) so the twists were all new to me.


Same, i was 11 and knew nothing of the story when i first watched the original trilogy.

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by Superking » Tue May 19, 2020 11:42 am

I’ve recently done a rewatch in timeline order and imo the first two prequels are even worse than i remember with the exception of revenge of the sith which is slightly less bad. The one thing a rewatch drives home to me though is just how unnecessary the prequels and sequels are. Even the massively altered Rotj has such a strong conclusive ending.

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PostRe: The Unpopular Opinion Thread
by Tomous » Tue May 19, 2020 11:47 am

I dunno, I think the prequels could have been really good. There's a story to tell there on Anakin and his transformation.

There's no story to tell with the sequels though I agree.

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by Moggy » Tue May 19, 2020 12:10 pm

Tomous wrote:I dunno, I think the prequels could have been really good. There's a story to tell there on Anakin and his transformation.

There's no story to tell with the sequels though I agree.


If there's a potential story with the prequels, then there are potential stories for the sequels.

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by OrangeRKN » Tue May 19, 2020 12:21 pm

The difference is the original trilogy explicitly set up the prequels, but doesn't have any sequel hooks

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