The Work Thread 2 - Get back to work!

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:06 am

Me receiving an unexpected 4.5% pay rise: Haha strawberry float yeah!!! Yes!!

Me seeing inflation has shot up to 5.4%: Well this strawberry floating sucks. What the strawberry float.

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by Tomous » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:09 am

Cuttooth wrote:Me receiving an unexpected 4.5% pay rise: Haha strawberry float yeah!!! Yes!!

Me seeing inflation has shot up to 5.4%: Well this strawberry floating sucks. What the strawberry float.



I've always said that employers shouldn't be allowed to call it a pay rise-if it's below inflation, it's a pay decrease.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:50 am

Got a meeting today with a large team about the process involved in the work I do.

Pretty much a 'tell us what you do and how you do it, so we can figure out a way to get it done cheaper overseas' meeting.

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by Green Gecko » Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:23 pm

Surely the meeting can amount to "good luck with that", considering quality of life and pay can be so poor overseas that they have to have someone work 10x harder on minimal pay to produce subsequently lower quality work.

I get countless pitches from overseas artworking agencies that will charge £3 for this or that vector work when you can all but gurantee it will either be an automatic trace with a few touch ups if you're lucky only to then have to spend twice as long cleaning it up or ask for them to do it again - which means waiting all night for when they're actually awake.

Because that's definitely not going to happen if you hire someone who doesn't really care at all about one single customer they never see or meet.

Aren't you leaving though? They might just be figuring put who they need to hire next.

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by Memento Mori » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:06 pm

Cuttooth wrote:Me receiving an unexpected 4.5% pay rise: Haha strawberry float yeah!!! Yes!!

Me seeing inflation has shot up to 5.4%: Well this strawberry floating sucks. What the strawberry float.

The first thing I always do after being told what my salary increase will be is immediately check what inflation is.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:19 pm

Green Gecko wrote:Surely the meeting can amount to "good luck with that", considering quality of life and pay can be so poor overseas that they have to have someone work 10x harder on minimal pay to produce subsequently lower quality work.

I get countless pitches from overseas artworking agencies that will charge £3 for this or that vector work when you can all but gurantee it will either be an automatic trace with a few touch ups if you're lucky only to then have to spend twice as long cleaning it up or ask for them to do it again - which means waiting all night for when they're actually awake.

Because that's definitely not going to happen if you hire someone who doesn't really care at all about one single customer they never see or meet.

Aren't you leaving though? They might just be figuring put who they need to hire next.


I've got the wrong end of the stick a bit with this, but it's still probably going to be the end game of moving the work of 30 people to a core team of 10 in one of the overseas office.

I'm supposed to be leaving, but they don't know yet.

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by poshrule_uk » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:02 pm

My work are apparently going to encourage people to go into the office two days per week.

What does that mean? You have to? Will look down on you if you don't? We don't really care? I'm confused.

If they try and make me go in to appease some pointless thing of ticking someone's idea of what's acceptable I'll look for a new job.

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by That's not a growth » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:07 pm

My work told me if I want to work from home I should look for another job.

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by Trelliz » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:13 pm

poshrule_uk wrote:My work are apparently going to encourage people to go into the office two days per week.

What does that mean? You have to? Will look down on you if you don't? We don't really care? I'm confused.

If they try and make me go in to appease some pointless thing of ticking someone's idea of what's acceptable I'll look for a new job.


Ask them to lay out in writing exactly what they mean by "encourage" etc. Either it will be waffly and empty or they won't, either of which will say a lot in and of itself.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:18 pm

The rationale from ours is that we have to "identify with and understand the city" :dread:.

I've asked a few times how we're going to measure this. I've not had a response.

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by Cuttooth » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:20 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The rationale from ours is that we have to "identify with and understand the city" :dread:.

I've asked a few times how we're going to measure this. I've not had a response.

Does whatever you do only relate to the city your office is based in?

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:23 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The rationale from ours is that we have to "identify with and understand the city" :dread:.

I've asked a few times how we're going to measure this. I've not had a response.

Does whatever you do only relate to the city your office is based in?

It's a university, so I suppose yes in some respects but not in a truly material way in terms of the role carried out by my team (hence the lack of measurable outcomes).

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by poshrule_uk » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:25 pm

Trelliz wrote:
poshrule_uk wrote:My work are apparently going to encourage people to go into the office two days per week.

What does that mean? You have to? Will look down on you if you don't? We don't really care? I'm confused.

If they try and make me go in to appease some pointless thing of ticking someone's idea of what's acceptable I'll look for a new job.


Ask them to lay out in writing exactly what they mean by "encourage" etc. Either it will be waffly and empty or they won't, either of which will say a lot in and of itself.


We don't even have an office at the moment so that may be premature at this time.

We have got a new senior management team so that always brings new ideas.

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by Xeno » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:27 pm

Mine have no idea what is happening. I think they may prefer not having me in the office as I can be a bit loud. :datass:

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by Trelliz » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:49 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The rationale from ours is that we have to "identify with and understand the city" :dread:.

I've asked a few times how we're going to measure this. I've not had a response.

Does whatever you do only relate to the city your office is based in?

It's a university, so I suppose yes in some respects but not in a truly material way in terms of the role carried out by my team (hence the lack of measurable outcomes).


Take it one step further; if the assumption is that by working from home you do not in fact "identify with and understand the city", what metric have they used to determine the practical effect of that over the past two years Vs the before time to the point that it needs remedying by coming back in, how that improvement will be measured to determine if/when it returns to pre-pandemic levels.

Of course you're asking this so that if anyone else has questions then there is a central source of answers that saves time for future reference, saves people repeating themselves etc, totally not to call their bullshit out to the point it collapses on itself, no sir.

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by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 20, 2022 12:56 pm

One of the justifications they're using for us is "People need to come in to create a critical mass of people that encourages other people to think it's worth coming in" :fp:

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by Xeno » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:00 pm

Lagamorph wrote:One of the justifications they're using for us is "People need to come in to create a critical mass of people that encourages other people to think it's worth coming in" :fp:


You have to go in to make others want to come in? Oooookay.

Hang on, what if your someone who doesn't like large groups of people, you know, the normal people?

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:02 pm

Trelliz wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The rationale from ours is that we have to "identify with and understand the city" :dread:.

I've asked a few times how we're going to measure this. I've not had a response.

Does whatever you do only relate to the city your office is based in?

It's a university, so I suppose yes in some respects but not in a truly material way in terms of the role carried out by my team (hence the lack of measurable outcomes).


Take it one step further; if the assumption is that by working from home you do not in fact "identify with and understand the city", what metric have they used to determine the practical effect of that over the past two years Vs the before time to the point that it needs remedying by coming back in, how that improvement will be measured to determine if/when it returns to pre-pandemic levels.

Of course you're asking this so that if anyone else has questions then there is a central source of answers that saves time for future reference, saves people repeating themselves etc, totally not to call their bullshit out to the point it collapses on itself, no sir.

I like it :lol: might have to give it a go.

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by Drumstick » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:45 pm

"I understand the city as I live here, thank you very much."

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by Green Gecko » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:56 pm

I am rather comfortable that precisely no one is ever going to insist I partake in such bollocks.

If you want to meet me, come here yourself. Otherwise, send an email.

I am literally less productive in an office setting. A group setting, maybe, in certain situations, largely being left to my own devices. Which I can do anywhere. Hmmmm.

Not to say I don't think about going outside, sitting on the beach, and drawing or typing though. Because well strawberry float am I paying for the choice. Training it in for 1-3hrs? Hard nope.

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