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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Return_of_the_STAR » Sat May 04, 2019 11:28 am

KK wrote:It's funny how this upcoming Saudi show looks like being even more loaded than WrestleMania 35. Goldberg, Lesnar, Undertaker...MMA powerhouse Shane McMahon vs. Roman Reigns appears to be on the agenda as well.

And all these years they told us in the UK they couldn't do a major PPV because of the time difference, and here they are in Saudi Arabia which for an American audience literally have the worst start times you could think of (about 11am on a Friday morning, Eastern).

That WWE have to do them twice a year only keeps it at the forefront of people's minds, only made more embarrassing as they dance around actually mentioning "Saudi Arabia" on TV. Even on the PPV itself they never mentioned where they were. "Here at the Crown Jewel, brother"


When a massive part of WWEs income was based on ppv I understood why they would take that view about ppvs in the uk but now their ppv income is negligible there is now argument against a stadium event in the uk. Make it a big deal, throw in an axxess event and I’m pretty confident it would be a massive success.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by KK » Mon May 06, 2019 12:35 am

WWE has hit the first (well, the current new first...) of what I’m sure will be many panic buttons throughout the year and announced Roman Reigns for RAW tomorrow at the beginning of the show...despite the fact he only just moved to SmackDown.

I’m not sure if anything moves the needle that much anymore though, particularly when it comes to sustaining viewers across the 3 hours.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by KK » Tue May 07, 2019 5:53 pm

Is it even worth attempting to make sense of Vince McMahon’s new impromptu Wildcard rules?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Fade » Tue May 07, 2019 6:29 pm

I hope WWE keep shooting themselves in the foot, gives other promotions a chance to shine.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Return_of_the_STAR » Tue May 07, 2019 6:46 pm

KK wrote:Is it even worth attempting to make sense of Vince McMahon’s new impromptu Wildcard rules?


Nope, no it is not. Just ignore it, don't think about it, just like it's best not to think about all the time travel consequences in Endgame.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by captain red dog » Tue May 07, 2019 7:04 pm

The brand split needs to either be fully implemented or scrapped. Back when it first started (originally I mean) , I feel they should have revived WCW and replaced Smackdown with Nitro. Smackdown is an odd brand name anyway as it is born from the attitude era and a catchphrase from The Rock.

You could have had Smackdown/Nitro touring the old Crockett/WCW territory and kept it as a genuinely separate brand with WWE touring the more Northern States. Then you could have had a second WrestleMania with Starrcade and created some genuine in company competition.

It amazes me WWE never went for a second brand to target the non-PG demographic. It seems like money left on the table to me.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Fade » Tue May 07, 2019 7:12 pm

It would make sense for brands to actually have different characterisics rather than just be names and colours. Raw could be more adult orientated and Smackdown more kid orientated. You'd think they'd attract more viewers that way, but nope apparently not.

Seriously though, the only difference between raw and smackdown is the length and the wrestlers. When you actually think about it it's strawberry floating stupid.

Imagine if Xfactor was on 2 nights a week but it had a different brand name each night, it would confuse the strawberry float out of people.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by captain red dog » Tue May 07, 2019 9:15 pm

Yep, there is no point in a brand split if the brands are the same. I'd like to see one of those shows being more adult. Imagine if Smackdown wasn't PG and more adult themed, and then you had Roman Reigns show up. Or reverse it the other way and have a guy like Kevin Owens go from the adult show to the PG show and being able to see how he coped in a PG environment.

I don't mind them being PG at all, but even with that they blur the lines, WM for instance wasn't PG when it got to the HHH/Batista match.

PG is boxing them into a niche, which is easily solvable if you diversify the brands and make them actually different. Just end PG on Smackdown and move creative from Vince to purely HHHs direction and give us something different.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Floex » Tue May 07, 2019 9:26 pm

captain red dog wrote:The brand split needs to either be fully implemented or scrapped. Back when it first started (originally I mean) , I feel they should have revived WCW and replaced Smackdown with Nitro. Smackdown is an odd brand name anyway as it is born from the attitude era and a catchphrase from The Rock.

You could have had Smackdown/Nitro touring the old Crockett/WCW territory and kept it as a genuinely separate brand with WWE touring the more Northern States. Then you could have had a second WrestleMania with Starrcade and created some genuine in company competition.

It amazes me WWE never went for a second brand to target the non-PG demographic. It seems like money left on the table to me.


It’s called NXT.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Mafro » Tue May 07, 2019 10:02 pm

Why do people still watch WWE?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Fade » Tue May 07, 2019 10:08 pm

Because they keep buying up all of the wrestlers people like

I'd quite like to get into some other promotions, do they have youtube channels etc?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Dangerblade » Tue May 07, 2019 10:19 pm

Fade wrote:Because they keep buying up all of the wrestlers people like

I'd quite like to get into some other promotions, do they have youtube channels etc?

https://njpwworld.com/

About 7 quid a month for every show, live and on-demand (the majority of them having English commentary as an option)

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Fade » Tue May 07, 2019 10:20 pm

What about Stardom?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Dangerblade » Tue May 07, 2019 10:24 pm

Mafro will happily fill you in on that

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Mafro » Tue May 07, 2019 11:12 pm

New Japan also have a YouTube channel. Most of it is post-match interviews but they often upload highlight videos of events and full matches from shows from a year or so ago.

Fade wrote:What about Stardom?

Stardom World is about £6.40ish. They don't do live shows but have one or two shows a week usually with 5 matches, they had a bunch of special shows four days in a row for Golden Week. The shows get uploaded as individual matches rather than all one show which I kinda prefer anyway. There's no commentary (a few Japanese promotions are like this) but the pre and post match promos are subtitled. They've got a YouTube channel as well which they've just started using again after about a year of posting nothing. Most of it is behind-the-scenes videos of some of their bigger shows but they often put up whole matches for a limited amount of time like this one. Stardom World just got completely overhauled in March and they haven't uploaded the majority of their older content yet but you can find a lot of it on Japanese video sites.

If you're wanting to get into it then now is probably a really good time. The promotion is based around four factions (STARS, Oedo Tai, Queen's Quest and Tokyo Cyber Squad) and they just had their annual faction draft the other week which shook up the roster a bit and is basically the start of a bunch of new feuds and storylines.

It's easily my favourite promotion just now. It's genuinely entertaining and probably has a large number of the best women wrestlers in the world right now. It's where Kairi Sane and Io Shirai came from and a lot of current WWE, NXT and NXT UK wrestlers have worked there like Shayna Bazler, Toni Storm (currently there just now and was their champion last year), Viper, Ruby Riott and Dakota Kai.

There's a helpful in-depth FAQ on the Stardom subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/stardomjoshi/c ... le_giants/

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Minty14 » Wed May 08, 2019 7:59 am

If you want a free taste of Joshi, this match the other week ruled. Sareee doesn't work many big promotions, so I've not seen her before, but Meiko is the absolute boss always.


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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Prototype » Wed May 08, 2019 8:08 am

Might check out Stardom.

WWE is utterly unwatchable just now. I'll still put myself through PPVs and keep my network sub for the Takeover shows and WCW that I watch all the time.

NJPWworld is good use of £7 a month.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Minty14 » Wed May 08, 2019 11:52 am

I'm working from home today, so catching up on the Cinderella Tournament. If you want to start out with Stardom, I can't imagine a better way as it's lots of short matches (10 minute time limit), showcasing a big chunk of the roster.

Just ignore the obnoxious western fan chanting solo through half the show. :fp:

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Mafro » Wed May 08, 2019 1:49 pm

Minty14 wrote:I'm working from home today, so catching up on the Cinderella Tournament. If you want to start out with Stardom, I can't imagine a better way as it's lots of short matches (10 minute time limit), showcasing a big chunk of the roster.

Just ignore the obnoxious western fan chanting solo through half the show. :fp:

That fan was at a few shows from other promotions as well and was getting absolute pellets on Twitter for being a dickhead. Stardom’s English twitter account basically called him out as well :lol: This was great too


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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: MLW Fusion - 10pm Monday, Freesports
by Minty14 » Wed May 08, 2019 2:21 pm

Mafro wrote:
Minty14 wrote:I'm working from home today, so catching up on the Cinderella Tournament. If you want to start out with Stardom, I can't imagine a better way as it's lots of short matches (10 minute time limit), showcasing a big chunk of the roster.

Just ignore the obnoxious western fan chanting solo through half the show. :fp:

That fan was at a few shows from other promotions as well and was getting absolute pellets on Twitter for being a dickhead. Stardom’s English twitter account basically called him out as well :lol: This was great too


This was my favourite moment:

I honestly don't know how anyone can be so un-self aware. Even if you don't know the culture (which you cannot claim when you obviously watch enough shows to be invested enough to bother flying to Japan), just read the strawberry floating room for strawberry float's sake. The way he doubled down when called out was astounding too.


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