The Wrestling Thread III

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by Prototype » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:54 am

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I guess this is the modern day equivalent of Eric Bischoff shitting on Vince McMahon every week on Nitro. #WednesdayNightWar


Not sure if Jericho should be bragging about anything after the gooseberry fool show of a main event he put on. That finish :dread:

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by captain red dog » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:28 am

The Strowman vs Fiend fued went to new levels of cringe on Smackdown. Probably one of the worst segments I have seen this year. :fp:

I'm guess Fiend is now a tweener/babyface given how it ended.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by RJ Badman » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:12 pm

Highlight for me was the appearance of a certain practising attorney at law.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III
by KK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:35 pm

The August 5 episode of AEW Dynamite, which aired in the UK on August 7, averaged 146,685 viewers on ITV4 to WWE RAW's 53,300.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by RJ Badman » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:18 pm

Don't get why people don't like the finish to Jericho/Cassidy, it made perfect sense. Because it doesn't fit the template of modern matches, I guess.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III
by RJ Badman » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:19 pm

KK wrote:The August 5 episode of AEW Dynamite, which aired in the UK on August 7, averaged 146,685 viewers on ITV4 to WWE RAW's 53,300.


Are there any ratings for TNA when it was at its height on Challenge TV?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by Slimgrady » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:19 pm

Didn’t it beat Raw one week in America too...in the all important 18-34 demo?

I see they’re moving TV production to The Amway center from the performance center starting this Friday for Smackdown!. If they don’t have Retribution all but demolish the performance center on Raw tonight or on NXT Wednesday then they’ll have missed a big opportunity with yet another faction.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III
by KK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:53 pm

RJ Badman wrote:Are there any ratings for TNA when it was at its height on Challenge TV?

An April 2016 edition managed 150,000. It was regularly over 100,000 at this point. Going back to 2013 it was in excess of 300,000.

I would think AEW is pulling in a similar amount though across the ITV Hub, the ITV1 Monday highlights and Fight TV.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:54 pm

RJ Badman wrote:
KK wrote:The August 5 episode of AEW Dynamite, which aired in the UK on August 7, averaged 146,685 viewers on ITV4 to WWE RAW's 53,300.


Are there any ratings for TNA when it was at its height on Challenge TV?


A lot of the time it was getting similar figures to the ITV4 above. It seemed to hold steady between 100K and 200k fr years.

KK do you know what the figures have been for the wwe highlights programs on five?

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by KK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:59 pm

I don’t, unfortunately. I know the NXT UK number on Paramount is minuscule but that was buggered the moment it started thanks to Covid.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by KK » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:56 pm

Wow, Joseph Parks (Abyss’ alter-ego in TNA) was on SmackDown last week as, well, Joseph Parks...playing what appeared to be the same suited character/version of himself as he was in TNA. Had there been a Live crowd I wonder how many people would have known who he is. I’ll be honest it took me a while to remember.

As for Retribution, it’s already turned into a gooseberry fool nWo. Over two decades have past and WWE still can’t do an invasion storyline properly.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:03 am

KKLEIN do you have a reliable way of finding historic Nielsen ratings? I know you've posted wrestling numbers from the States before and I could do with finding some niche information about a re-run of The Simpsons from 1992.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by KK » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:01 am

Was it on FOX prime time, syndication or cable? There’s possibly TV Tango: http://www.tvtango.com/listings?filters ... ommit.y=19

Also a chance a fan website or blog would have it, though library records of newspapers and books that reported on ratings would be another option (USA Today, World Almanac, TIME Almanac and local newspapers). On Wikipedia, for first run episode figures, they’ve cited USA Today.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:29 am

KK wrote:Was it on FOX prime time, syndication or cable? There’s possibly TV Tango: http://www.tvtango.com/listings?filters ... ommit.y=19

Also a chance a fan website or blog would have it, though library records of newspapers and books that reported on ratings would be another option (USA Today, World Almanac, TIME Almanac and local newspapers). On Wikipedia, for first run episode figures, they’ve cited USA Today.


That's brilliant, they've got audience ratings for all showings of the show, and the particular one I need - a re-run of Stark Raving Dad from January, 1992. Thanks mate, you're a hero. Is there a formula for calculating how many millions that, say, an 11.6 translates into?

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by KK » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:16 am

You would need to find out how many million TV homes there were at that point (which has probably been mentioned in the Wrestling Observer at some point). For example for the 2018-19 TV season there were 119.9 million TV homes in the US. So a 11.6 rating in 1992 wouldn’t equate to the same amount of viewers as if a programme got that today.

The rating is the percentage of total TV households tuned into a programme at a given time (or of a specific group, such as adults aged 18-49). So if a show has a 2.0 rating, it means that 2% of those 119.9 million households watched that programme. This number is always out of the total estimated TV households and not how many of those total households actually had their TVs on at the time.

There’s a more thorough explanation here: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live- ... ns-1245591

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:42 am

Nice one! The translation of the numbers is more of a nice to have than the number themselves, but it's good to understand how the Nielsen ratings work for a wider project I'm working on for a bit of fun. This is hugely appreciated KK, cheers.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by RJ Badman » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:47 pm

This WWE Thunderdome sounds laughable. Like it's gonna be a big version of the WWF War Zone setting, complete with cardboard crowd. The only way I'll be interested is if they do a VR ringside POV thing, like they did that time with the world cup on PS4.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by Prototype » Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:40 pm

Is it true NXT is losing to Guy's Grocery Games in the US? :slol:

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by KK » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:43 pm

Guys Grocery Games on the Food Network (which for those that don't know appears to be a cross between Dale's Supermarket Sweep and Masterchef) averaged 769,000 viewers on August 12th, and did a 0.22 in 18-49. NXT on the USA Network managed 619,000 viewers and a 0.16. In terms of the DEMO GOD, it also lost out to stuff like Home Town Repack on Home and Gardens TV (0.18), All in with Chris Hayes on MSNBC (0.20) and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills on Bravo (0.18).

AEW Dynamite managed a 0.32 in 18-49 and 792,000 viewers overall.

So basically, NXT is fantastically unpopular with the youth, even on the weeks NXT beats AEW overall. Which is not good for WWE as it's supposed to be the trendier show compared to RAW and SmackDown.

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PostRe: The Wrestling Thread III: R.I.P. Kamala 1950 - 2020
by captain red dog » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:25 pm

I'm interested to see the Thunderdome set I have to admit. WWE have largely wasted lockdown as they should have used it as a chance to experiment with new looks for the show. I think WWE would do well to go with darker tones, a darker arena, a less polished looking setting. The Raw set they use now is basically a miniature of the same visual style they have used since the PG era started.

They seem to be stuck with a mid 2000s HBO boxing style presentation which is beyond stale.


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