The Wrestling Thread: WWE WrestleMania 31 [NSFW]

[gaminglegend]

Bret talks about Flair in this documentary again. Bret's complaints about Flair, and Flair's about Bret, are pretty much exactly the same.

Lol wut? The major complaints Hart has about Flair is about his lack of drawing power which was true and his lack of respect for certain friends and unawareness in the ring. Flair more or less attacks Bret's montreal screw job reactions and the good god awful accusation that he milked his brother's death. How are they the same?


(If your talking about this sole documentary I'll watch it now however)

Flair had a lack of drawing power? That's a new one. Even in his dying days in WWE, ratings went up when Flair was advertised for anything.

I'm talking about their in-ring styles. Both always say "his matches were always the same, same series of moves, nothing new". I don't think it's true for either of them, perhaps more-so Flair as Hart could be more diverse, but not to the extent of a Kurt Angle, Undertaker or HBK.


Flair used to be the main draw for WCW in half empty arenas pre 1994 I believe, I shall try and find confirmation. But Flair's attack on Bret's lack of draw when Vince McMahon himself said you could build a franchise around Bret is monumentally stupid. Bret was very diverse in wrestling ability, more so than the Undertaker, more similar to Angle in technical ability, a lot of early WWF Videos show this.

[Balloon Sod]

Bret talks about Flair in this documentary again. Bret's complaints about Flair, and Flair's about Bret, are pretty much exactly the same.

Lol wut? The major complaints Hart has about Flair is about his lack of drawing power which was true and his lack of respect for certain friends and unawareness in the ring. Flair more or less attacks Bret's montreal screw job reactions and the good god awful accusation that he milked his brother's death. How are they the same?


(If your talking about this sole documentary I'll watch it now however)

Flair had a lack of drawing power? That's a new one. Even in his dying days in WWE, ratings went up when Flair was advertised for anything.

I'm talking about their in-ring styles. Both always say "his matches were always the same, same series of moves, nothing new". I don't think it's true for either of them, perhaps more-so Flair as Hart could be more diverse, but not to the extent of a Kurt Angle, Undertaker or HBK.


Flair used to be the main draw for WCW in half empty arenas pre 1994 I believe, I shall try and find confirmation. But Flair's attack on Bret's lack of draw when Vince McMahon himself said you could build a franchise around Bret is monumentally stupid. Bret was very diverse in wrestling ability, more so than the Undertaker, more similar to Angle in technical ability, a lot of early WWF Videos show this.

It's subjective of course, but I think Undertaker has had a far more diverse range of matches than Bret. Taker has been around for a few more style-changes, though.

On the subject of ratings, Bret Hart wasn't a massive draw in the USA. Globally, yes, for sure. I love Bret Hart and I love Ric Flair; I'm 23 now, and there's a video of me from almost 20 years ago with a Bret Hart and Ric Flair action figure. And an IRS one, but just ignore that. 2 of the all-time greats for sure.

Flair may have had a few dips in drawing power throughout the years, but he's one of the biggest draws ever. Far more so than Bret Hart; he sold out arenas for 35 years.

Again, I think this argument is stupid, because both men are so similar in terms of what they did. They are great workers (although both disagree) and always made their opponents look like a million bucks.

[Jam-Master Jay]

Shouldn't be long for the links now. There's been a few ~700MB multi-part .AAC's floating around now.

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[gaminglegend]

Bret talks about Flair in this documentary again. Bret's complaints about Flair, and Flair's about Bret, are pretty much exactly the same.

Lol wut? The major complaints Hart has about Flair is about his lack of drawing power which was true and his lack of respect for certain friends and unawareness in the ring. Flair more or less attacks Bret's montreal screw job reactions and the good god awful accusation that he milked his brother's death. How are they the same?


(If your talking about this sole documentary I'll watch it now however)

Flair had a lack of drawing power? That's a new one. Even in his dying days in WWE, ratings went up when Flair was advertised for anything.

I'm talking about their in-ring styles. Both always say "his matches were always the same, same series of moves, nothing new". I don't think it's true for either of them, perhaps more-so Flair as Hart could be more diverse, but not to the extent of a Kurt Angle, Undertaker or HBK.


Flair used to be the main draw for WCW in half empty arenas pre 1994 I believe, I shall try and find confirmation. But Flair's attack on Bret's lack of draw when Vince McMahon himself said you could build a franchise around Bret is monumentally stupid. Bret was very diverse in wrestling ability, more so than the Undertaker, more similar to Angle in technical ability, a lot of early WWF Videos show this.

It's subjective of course, but I think Undertaker has had a far more diverse range of matches than Bret. Taker has been around for a few more style-changes, though.

On the subject of ratings, Bret Hart wasn't a massive draw in the USA. Globally, yes, for sure. I love Bret Hart and I love Ric Flair; I'm 23 now, and there's a video of me from almost 20 years ago with a Bret Hart and Ric Flair action figure. And an IRS one, but just ignore that. 2 of the all-time greats for sure.

Flair may have had a few dips in drawing power throughout the years, but he's one of the biggest draws ever. Far more so than Bret Hart; he sold out arenas for 35 years.

Again, I think this argument is stupid, because both men are so similar in terms of what they did. They are great workers (although both disagree) and always made their opponents look like a million bucks.

I respectfully disagree, especially with the US, Bret was huge, and the main overlying reason for low draws was the steroids scandal that hit the WWF, when Michaels took the belt, house gates dropped once more. Personally I still think Hart is the better of the two, but that's me

[Jam-Master Jay]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O211LKWQ

Oh yeah!

.AVI's soon enough.

[Balloon Sod]

The belt did drop with HBK as the main guy, yeah. Bret could have been a bigger draw than he was if were booked a little better, and the company got behind him for longer. And the steroid thing; yeah, that hurt the Fed. No man is an island, and business would go down no matter who was on top. But it's the same thing for Flair in the early 90s; with booking that bad, you could stick the belt on Jesus Christ himself and attendence would still suffer.

We'll both have to ignore the fact that nobody draws any rating in TNA. It's like Room 101. I honestly don't know if ratings would go up to a 1.7 or so if Cena arrived in TNA next year.

[IronMaiden]

The greatest part of Impact last night was clearly Flair getting out of the bus . Impact was much improved this week, Raw served it's purpose and nothing more tbh.

[Zellery]

Can't wait to see the entire journalistic sector for wrestling call the UK idiots for choosing TNA over WWE.

[Balloon Sod]

Can't wait to see the entire journalistic sector for wrestling call the UK idiots for choosing TNA over WWE.

It's on at a better time and is in way more homes. But I still don't get that 6,000 rating. That's just...wrong.

I've finally managed to find a match I saw in TNA years ago, and it's THE GREATEST OVERSELL IN THE HISTORY OF WRESTLING.

And no, it isn't HBK/Hulk. It's even better, but not as long.

http://www.vidilife.com/video_play_1050 ... r_Show.htm

Skip to 4 minutes. strawberry float me

[Zellery]

What the actual strawberry float is Backland doing back and wrestling?

[Skippy]

WWE easily. Infinitely better than TNA at the moment

[Balloon Sod]

What the actual strawberry float is Backland doing back and wrestling?

It was in 2007. Nash was leading a stable of X-Division guys (read: every X-Division guy that wasn't AJ, Daniels or Joe) and was doing things like:

-showing the X-Division wrestlers graphs that claimed him to be the best-drawing champion ever
-claiming he invented the 450 but didn't want to do it anymore
-bullying Sonjay Dutt because he was 'on steroids' (life imitates art; he clearly was 2 years later, with horrible backne)
-stalking Mr Backlund because he was weird and he's come to TNA to 'seek vengence', or something

Backlund was eliminated within a few seconds at the Raw Battle Royale, likely because he dicked around with TNA.

This is the second best Kevin Nash moment in TNA history. The best was at Destination X 2005 (a panned PPV that was otherwise surrounded by very good ones), when Kip James and Kevin Nash had a first blood match. Kip James tried to kill Nash with a screwdriver, but Nash fought him off and bust Kip open, but the referee was down.

So, of course, Jeff Jarrett runs out and hits Kevin Nash to bust him open, while a doctor performs a quick skin graft on Kip James to stop the blood. The referee declares Kip the winner.

[Jam-Master Jay]

TNA by far.

The booking may be gooseberry fool at times, but it's far more entertaining and enjoyable than what the WWE has put out recently.

To be honest, I was only watching WWE for Punk, Edge, Jericho and the return of Bret Hart. I can't sit through a single episode of Raw without being bored stiff, and the less said about the Hart/McMahon angle the better. I can't believe that WWE have managed to suck out all of the excitement from the return of one of my fave wrestlers ever.

[Pontius Pilate]

Can't wait to see the entire journalistic sector for wrestling call the UK idiots for choosing TNA over WWE.

iMPACT is so much better than WWE's output imo, we're poles apart.

Out of interest, if people here had to say which brand they currently favour, would ir be TNA or WWE?

WWE - Zellery.

TNA - Lucien, Ryan0rz

[Jam-Master Jay]

WWE - Zellery, Skippy.

TNA - Lucien, Ryan0rz, Jam-Master Jay.

It will no doubt be WWE > TNA by the time most regulars have weighed in.

[Irene Demova]

WWE

If I'm going to watch a car crash I'm going to watch one with production values

[gaminglegend]

The Rock actually in a wrestling documentary

[Jam-Master Jay]

WWE - Zellery, Skippy, Irene Demova, Balloon Sod.

TNA - Lucien, Ryan0rz, Jam-Master Jay.

Also, The Rock is overrated.

[Balloon Sod]

WWE, but that's mainly thanks to PPVs, NXT and Smackdown. So that's my answer.

If it were just Raw or Impact? Hard choice. Raw is an all around better show, but they need a draft badly, and to stop putting Mark Henry on my TV. TNA is exciting at first, but nothing means anything. So, do I turn my brain off and slobber at Impact, or watch Raw, have main events that matter but plenty of toss? I don't know. I flick between them at the moment while working in the background.

Edit: If TNA slow down a bit, have clean finishes (see how happy the fans were last night with that finish?) and get some storylines that make sense, it would be TNA in a flash.

[sw26]

Out of interest, if people here had to say which brand they currently favour, would ir be TNA or WWE?

TNA. Because despite my pledge to do so last week, I haven't watched any kind of new WWE programming for a good couple of years now, but I've been watching Impact since January 4th. That isn't necessarily a comment on the quality of the respective shows, just that I'm tired with WWE and fancied something different which TNA for better or worse clearly is.