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by Tomous » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:54 am

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Jenuall wrote:Microsoft teams? Microsoft s-team-ing pile of gooseberry fool more like!


I've never used it but I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as a video conference program can be gooseberry fool in 2020?

How have they messed it up as (I've honestly never used a video conference program) surely as long as the video is stable and everyone can see each other with room for text stuff as well then whats gone wrong?

Teams is really good for calling and messaging tbf


The video and audio is superb, that's not the problem. It's that is also used as a portal for peope to bother you as if walking up to your desk and just sitting down to talk to you without asking if you're free. I'm getting bare bones emails, then instant messages followed by a call about the email, all within teams. It's intrusive.



I put Busy or Do Not Disturb on and ignore if i need to.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:58 am

Oh god yeah the notifications are awful. I had someone ask for help on something the other day and because I'd missed the little popup, I didn't answer them for two hours. I had something on Monday where someone was on a call with a big customer, and needed some documents I'd made urgently. I put them in the window of our chat, it showed the progress of each transferring and I assumed he had them. Half an hour later he said "don't worry about it now", which was confusing. Turns out that just puts them ready to go, and you then have to click a paper aeroplane icon to actually pass them on. Ffs.

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by Knoyleo » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:09 am

We've been using Teams for a while, but people use it in daft ways. Where we would have open for all drop in sessions for certain things in the office, they're now teams meetings that drop into everyone's diary and they attend if they want. But, even if you're not in the meeting, you still get pop ups when someone uses the chat.

Also had another meeting of about 100 attendees about some legal requirements we all have to do, and the person running the session decided it would be a good idea to get us to answer true or false questions, so the screen was just full of chat spam. I did chuckle at the steam of Fs to pay your respects that were crawling up one side of my screen. :lol:

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by That's not a growth » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:17 am

I was on a call with someone outside my workplace yesterday who also has teams, and someone was messaging while he was on a call to us. They were doing that instant messenger thing where every few words was a new message so he had a barrage of 'pings' going off in his headset and getting more and more irate.

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by kazanova_Frankenstein » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:01 am

People who wander off from their desk and leave their headphones blaring away at full blast. No wonder the strawberry floater is deaf, he has the set to 26 on his PC (i appreciate this is not an absolute value, so no "it's one louder" comments please. But trust me, its LOUD).

Whenever i leave my desk i pause what i am listening to. Ironically i usually only put music on to drown out the strawberry floating noise bleed form some other banana splits.

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by Errkal » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:07 am

Jenuall wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:
Minty14 wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Microsoft teams? Microsoft s-team-ing pile of gooseberry fool more like!


I've never used it but I don't understand how something as seemingly simple as a video conference program can be gooseberry fool in 2020?

How have they messed it up as (I've honestly never used a video conference program) surely as long as the video is stable and everyone can see each other with room for text stuff as well then whats gone wrong?

Teams is really good for calling and messaging tbf


The video and audio is superb, that's not the problem. It's that is also used as a portal for peope to bother you as if walking up to your desk and just sitting down to talk to you without asking if you're free. I'm getting bare bones emails, then instant messages followed by a call about the email, all within teams. It's intrusive.

Yeah like anything the problem is the people more than the software, it's just given idiots another layer through which to confuse their own communication mechanisms!

I do think that Teams itself has some issues as well - the video conferencing is limited to a much smaller number of active participants than other competing services, we've had more problems with video quality since we started using Teams as well. Additionally things like how it handles notifications and general alerting to the user that something needs your attention is poor - in certain cases if you miss a pop up then the only thing telling you there is something that needs your attention is if you have the window open and notice that a bit of text has turned bold - there's no icon or badge to make it more obvious.


I think the notification thing is because it’s relying on the Windows 10 notification system, your missed stuff is in the Windows 10 Notification Centre, probables is a bunch of places disable it or people don’t use it/know about it

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:11 am

Teams is excellent. Without it we simply wouldn't have been able to continue a successful service throughout lockdown and I expect we'd have all been rushed back to the office by now, with no prospect of future WFH arrangements.

Almost every single complaint I have heard about it has turned out to be user error.

Even the mobile app is really good (albeit obviously limited) which helps when on the move and again makes flexible WFH arrangements even more viable, say if you need to pop out for anything but also need to keep an eye on things.

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by Jenuall » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:52 am

The mobile app isn't great I've found, but that's more to do with the limitations of the devices than the software. Only being able to see a few participants at once is annoying and accessing the full list of participants is harder than it should be. Things like the chat are obviously not as accessible in the mobile app as well.

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by Cuttooth » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:55 am

Got rid of the app really quickly as notifications and calls kept coming through both my phone and PC.

Teams is best for file management and meetings/calls. The rest of it is a bit rubbish, especially things like the Planner.

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by ignition » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:59 am

One advantage of the mobile app is that you can quote reply to a specific message in a chat thread. Desktop app doesn't permit that for some reason.

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by Minty14 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:04 pm

Knoyleo wrote:We've been using Teams for a while, but people use it in daft ways. Where we would have open for all drop in sessions for certain things in the office, they're now teams meetings that drop into everyone's diary and they attend if they want. But, even if you're not in the meeting, you still get pop ups when someone uses the chat.

Also had another meeting of about 100 attendees about some legal requirements we all have to do, and the person running the session decided it would be a good idea to get us to answer true or false questions, so the screen was just full of chat spam. I did chuckle at the steam of Fs to pay your respects that were crawling up one side of my screen. :lol:

You can turn this off so you only got notifications while you're on the call. Not sure if you can access the relevant settings while not in a call though.

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by RJ Badman » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:56 pm

Amazon sending the wrong pissing cable. Maybe put some of that iced back tax money back into employing someone who isn't a complete dilatory.

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by Victor Mildew » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:18 am

Online reviews of products that give a 5 star rating, then go on to say they haven't even used the product. I'm looking to buy myself a nice jacket that'll last a long time, so I'm planning to spend a fair bit and therefore need to know if it's worth it.

345 5 star reviews, wow, must be good! Let's read them.

The first 2 pages are all saying "I've not worn it yet, but it looks nice 5 STARS"

mixed with people just using it as a stealth brag about where they're going "I've not used it yet, but will be taking it on my 2 week trip to see the northern lights, staying in el grande lodge"

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by Cuttooth » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:34 am

On the other end of the scale are 1 star reviews that have nothing to do with the product, usually around things like delay to delivery.

"Stubbed my toe collecting the parcel, wouldn't use again. 1/5"

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by Dowbocop » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:41 am

Victor Mildew wrote:Online reviews of products that give a 5 star rating, then go on to say they haven't even used the product. I'm looking to buy myself a nice jacket that'll last a long time, so I'm planning to spend a fair bit and therefore need to know if it's worth it.

345 5 star reviews, wow, must be good! Let's read them.

The first 2 pages are all saying "I've not worn it yet, but it looks nice 5 STARS"

mixed with people just using it as a stealth brag about where they're going "I've not used it yet, but will be taking it on my 2 week trip to see the northern lights, staying in el grande lodge"

It's a coat not a laptop (unless the laptop is a Mac HURRDURR). You buy it, try it on, and if it isn't right for you then you return it.

Re: Teams - I'm in a good mood with Teams at the moment because I'm doing a job application and it's allowed me to describe plugging a laptop into a telly as "providing ad hoc IT support to help create a secondary socially distanced meeting room."

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by Victor Mildew » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:55 am

Dowbocop wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:Online reviews of products that give a 5 star rating, then go on to say they haven't even used the product. I'm looking to buy myself a nice jacket that'll last a long time, so I'm planning to spend a fair bit and therefore need to know if it's worth it.

345 5 star reviews, wow, must be good! Let's read them.

The first 2 pages are all saying "I've not worn it yet, but it looks nice 5 STARS"

mixed with people just using it as a stealth brag about where they're going "I've not used it yet, but will be taking it on my 2 week trip to see the northern lights, staying in el grande lodge"

It's a coat not a laptop (unless the laptop is a Mac HURRDURR). You buy it, try it on, and if it isn't right for you then you return it.

Re: Teams - I'm in a good mood with Teams at the moment because I'm doing a job application and it's allowed me to describe plugging a laptop into a telly as "providing ad hoc IT support to help create a secondary socially distanced meeting room."


It's as expensive as a laptop, and there's more to it than the fit. How does this membrane hold up over this one? Is feature X worth a £100 bump in price over feature X on a different one.

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by Rocsteady » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:21 am

Victor Mildew wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:Online reviews of products that give a 5 star rating, then go on to say they haven't even used the product. I'm looking to buy myself a nice jacket that'll last a long time, so I'm planning to spend a fair bit and therefore need to know if it's worth it.

345 5 star reviews, wow, must be good! Let's read them.

The first 2 pages are all saying "I've not worn it yet, but it looks nice 5 STARS"

mixed with people just using it as a stealth brag about where they're going "I've not used it yet, but will be taking it on my 2 week trip to see the northern lights, staying in el grande lodge"

It's a coat not a laptop (unless the laptop is a Mac HURRDURR). You buy it, try it on, and if it isn't right for you then you return it.

Re: Teams - I'm in a good mood with Teams at the moment because I'm doing a job application and it's allowed me to describe plugging a laptop into a telly as "providing ad hoc IT support to help create a secondary socially distanced meeting room."


It's as expensive as a laptop, and there's more to it than the fit. How does this membrane hold up over this one? Is feature X worth a £100 bump in price over feature X on a different one.

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by Victor Mildew » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:24 am

I didn't say which year the laptop is from.

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by Dowbocop » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:35 am

Victor Mildew wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:Online reviews of products that give a 5 star rating, then go on to say they haven't even used the product. I'm looking to buy myself a nice jacket that'll last a long time, so I'm planning to spend a fair bit and therefore need to know if it's worth it.

345 5 star reviews, wow, must be good! Let's read them.

The first 2 pages are all saying "I've not worn it yet, but it looks nice 5 STARS"

mixed with people just using it as a stealth brag about where they're going "I've not used it yet, but will be taking it on my 2 week trip to see the northern lights, staying in el grande lodge"

It's a coat not a laptop (unless the laptop is a Mac HURRDURR). You buy it, try it on, and if it isn't right for you then you return it.

Re: Teams - I'm in a good mood with Teams at the moment because I'm doing a job application and it's allowed me to describe plugging a laptop into a telly as "providing ad hoc IT support to help create a secondary socially distanced meeting room."


It's as expensive as a laptop, and there's more to it than the fit. How does this membrane hold up over this one? Is feature X worth a £100 bump in price over feature X on a different one.

I personally wouldn't trust user reviews for that sort of specialist information. I only look at them for clarification that the item received is as described and general item build quality. Some people might just want their coat to look nice on a cruise round Iceland. Some people might want to live like the Unabomber. The fact that this annoys you suggests that you should be more interested in professional reviewers' opinions, not those of the general public who have bought a coat at the end of summer, probably in preparation for a winter that hasn't arrived yet.

I bet a lot of the computers on the Curry's/PC World website have five star reviews. "Great for uni", "Big upgrade from my old [poorly maintained Windows XP] PC", "My son plays Fortnite and is happy with this". They're valid and useful opinions even though they mean nothing to you and I who would want more from our computers.

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by Victor Mildew » Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:41 am

That's a good point. I wouldnt buy a guitar based off a footnote LOL LOOKS GR8 review.

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