Last Night BBC2: Steve Jobs: Billion Dollar Hippy 9-10pm

Come on Cal, surely everyone knows how much Apple/Jobs is hated around these parts. Not once have I seen a decent discussion of anything Apple related on GRcade.

Not sure I'll be able to watch this now I know you've been carrying on with whats his face in gay bars.

Live iPlayer is pretty sweet. Woz. :wub:

I enjoyed it, but everytime they said he was a hippy it just seemed more and more ridiculous

That was interesting, glad I watched it. Definitely a flawed personal character, but genuinely inspired people often are unbalanced.

The best thing Apple has done recently is to kick all their competitors up the arse and push technology in a better direction than where it was prior to the i-gubbins.

Slartibartfast wrote:The best thing Apple has done recently is to kick all their competitors up the arse and push technology in a better direction than where it was prior to the i-gubbins.

what like?

fill the world with laptops with no keyboards or filling the world with apps we don't need?

It's that debate again. There can be no winner. Suffice to say whilst I may not hate the man, I hate the way that he's built up as some kind of design god.

i don't use apple products because i'm not cool enough :cry:

Miaaaw wrote:
JewishSanta wrote:i don't use apple products because i'm not cool enough

I liked the part where you're just baiting, which is all of it

gets the night in.

I'm not an Apple fan, never been able to justify the cost of their stuff really, but my housemate has a Macbook Pro and a Macbook Air and they're both nice enough to use (he's loaded ¬_¬).

Anyway even to someone not really bothered it was an interesting documentary. Enjoyed it although some parts grated a little.

Miaaaw wrote:Give a technically incompetent person an iPad and an Android tab - or an iPhone, an Android, a Blackberry and a WP7 mobile - or a Mac and a Windows or, heaven forfend, a Linux machine - see which ones they understand most easily, and by the same token which ones they crash and burn first.

You'll struggle to crash Linux

I'm 95% of the opinion that, if you could just take some of the rough edges off it, Linux is how a computer is really supposed to be used. The way you can chain applications together using the shell is a thing of beauty.

And Android is proof positive that you can take the rough edges off. In pretty much every way that matters, it's damn near identical to iOS. The only difference between them is that when something goes tits up in Android, there's probably an alternative way to do it.

I enjoyed the programme, but then again I'm a self confessed apple fanboy

TheTurnipKing wrote:You'll struggle to crash Linux

rm -rf /*

Srs though, Linux stuff is great, but as user experience goes, not so great. I'd not hesitate to use certain linux distros for work related projects though.

Kwanzaa-bot wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:You'll struggle to crash Linux

rm -rf /*

Srs though, Linux stuff is great, but as user experience goes, not so great. I'd not hesitate to use certain linux distros for work related projects though.

The odds of said technically incompetent person actually finding a terminal and managing to enter that exact keystroke combination? It's got to be at least on par with someone entering disk management in wnidows and accidently deleting the system partition.

Jobs is one of those people who are either loved or hated. People who hate him see him getting way too much credit for other people innovation and see him being a big a-hole. People who love him see the fact that he created some really awesome polished products and brought easy to use computing to the main stream. The thing is they are both sort of right, he was a human being who had flaws, he didn't live in a vacuum but he did create some great products.

I interpreted your point as being summarised as "macs easy to use, yo!"

Stephen Fry was, as predicted, a total cock. Shouting down Evan Davis's perfectly valid point that £-for-£ Macs represent appalling value for money when stacked next to their immediate alternatives in the the PC world. I defy anyone to prove Fry correct in his insistence that Macs are somehow better and more useful than PCs 'because they look nicer'. :fp:

£2500 would these days buy you the ultimate gaming PC of your very wildest dreams. How much of a Mac will it buy you?

In the end, though, Fry's baseless assumptions of Mac supermacy and his disagreement with Davis amounted to nothing more than play-acting; we could see both men were clearly in thrall to the House of Apple, to the Cult of Steve, the BBC's adoptive (and now beatified) 'lifestyle' geek messiah.

All in all, this paean to Jobs spoke more about the blinkered, doe-eyed adoration the BBC still maintains for ('the eternal hippy') Jobs, than for the company he built and its questionable practices (for instance, not a word about working conditions in it's overseas factories, the worker suicides, nor anything much to say on Apples' continually over-inflated prices on the high street and online).

Kwanzaa-bot wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:You'll struggle to crash Linux

rm -rf /*

Srs though, Linux stuff is great, but as user experience goes, not so great. I'd not hesitate to use certain linux distros for work related projects though.

Meh. Wouldn't you have to be the root to do this? You could just as easily strawberry float Windows up by deleting some systems files.

Cal wrote:£2500 would these days buy you the ultimate gaming PC of your very wildest dreams. How much of a Mac will it buy you?

£2,500 will buy me a Mac I would absolutely love to use. I couldn't honestly say that it would buy me a PC I would love to use. End of the day some of us love Mac's and even if a lot prefer PC's thats still cool by me

Holy gooseberry fool. Just read iCal's opening post. Evan Davis is gay? Who knew?

Drunken_Master wrote:
Kwanzaa-bot wrote:
TheTurnipKing wrote:You'll struggle to crash Linux

rm -rf /*

Srs though, Linux stuff is great, but as user experience goes, not so great. I'd not hesitate to use certain linux distros for work related projects though.

Meh. Wouldn't you have to be the root to do this? You could just as easily strawberry float Windows up by deleting some systems files.

I think it would depends on whether the shell has admin privelidges or not.

Which is of course, the kind of thing that Miaaaw is talking about turning off the clueless.

Last Night BBC2: Steve Jobs: Billion Dollar Hippy 9-10pm

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