[Game thread] TRIBE VS TRIBE

How did everyone work out it was Qikz's list that was correct? Was it quite complex to do that, or did it fall out pretty easily from knowing your own tribe membership so being able to dismiss any lists that had more than two of your own tribe guessed incorrectly? I'm not even sure how Vigis knew it was Qikz's list that was correct as it was when I died.

OrangeRKN wrote:How did everyone work out it was Qikz's list that was correct? Was it quite complex to do that, or did it fall out pretty easily from knowing your own tribe membership so being able to dismiss any lists that had more than two of your own tribe guessed incorrectly? I'm not even sure how Vigis knew it was Qikz's list that was correct as it was when I died.

I think it might have required a bit of cooperation between tribes as well I know Drummy was working with Cora

RetroCora wrote:

Parksey wrote:Myself, OB and Drummy had saves on us for what felt like ages. Before the second weekend vote when I went up.

So it was annoying when they shot Frank, the one member of the gang not protected.

That was my call, because it was blatantly obvious that you would have a protection on you. The best way to get rid of you was always gonna be through the public vote. Your public proclamations were intensely frustrating because it was blatantly clear you were working to manipulate public opinion but I couldn't risk debunking some of the stuff you were saying without putting myself in the firing line.

I basically decided that in the thread I was going to play like a Tory Minister. Had to come up with some imaginative reasons not to go for PV when all logic suggested it, and trying to blame everything on the Vigis (who in the early game, were my Labour scapegoats) and then TYEM.

Personally I think some of the thread were a bit too late to cotton on to the differences between this and AYAW - it wasn't one group or hive mind, versus a hidden minority so I tried to create a little bit of "them versus us" at various times and with various scapegoats or enemies.

The other thing that I think others were a bit preoccupied with was who was on what tribe. I remember in Week 56 or something, someone was still on about me being PV when it was a) obvious what tribe I was in and b) not important.

What was important were the backstage alliances, having fingers in many pies, having favours to call in or votes you could bring to your side, whereas I think some people got a bit preoccupied with just finding out people's roles, when that wasn't really the key to anything, as it turns out.

I've got a few suggestions for how to tweak it next time, and Dan could maybe consider whether to keep identities secret for longer, or whether he was happy with it all coming out when it did (it changed the game, but not for the worst).

From my perspective, we were a reasonably well-oiled machine and I salute every member of Pro-Village for their commitment.

I setup the WhatsApp group because it provided several key benefits and is more conducive to faster, easier communication. People always have their phones in their pockets or beside them and having the group allowed us to get someone's immediate attention, which was vital at times. There were a few moments which for us ended up being pivotal:

Day 26: Getting the Vigis to vote with us to put mic up when it was clear it should have been someone from P-V. We worked tirelessly that morning. This was crucial because it meant that nobody from P-V would face the weekend vote, allowing us to take our lead and player advantage into the next week.

Day 30: Somehow securing a 6-6 deadlock between Tsunade and Parksey, knowing we had a bullet to use in the dying moments before the deadline. Sorry Rula! This allowed us to not only score points for the kill, but also from that day's interrogation.

Day 33: Getting the Vigis to vote for Preezy instead of OB, meaning that OB would remain uninterrogated with a SAVE and, also, that we could probably rig the vote to ensure we lost only one player instead of two.

Day 35: Winning the contest - we needed to control how the endgame would play out, specifically to avoid Amnesty which would've seen the SAVES protecting myself, OB and Parksey wiped. It would have been open season on us due to our commanding advantage and all our hard work would've been for nothing.

OrangeRKN wrote:My biggest critique (and as a vigi you know what this is already) was powers being tied to whole team activity. As an individual playing the game it leaves you without much agency and powers were so vital to the game that being without them felt like a huge disadvantage that wasn't our fault and little could be done about.

The WhatsApp was invaluable on this front - any time it got to around 9pm and someone hadn't yet posted, we could harass/remind them immediately to do so. That's how we were able to earn so many KILLs and SAVEs.

OrangeRKN wrote:How did everyone work out it was Qikz's list that was correct? Was it quite complex to do that, or did it fall out pretty easily from knowing your own tribe membership so being able to dismiss any lists that had more than two of your own tribe guessed incorrectly? I'm not even sure how Vigis knew it was Qikz's list that was correct as it was when I died.

I can only speak for our tribe, but Cora and I traded notes to figure it out.

Vermilion wrote:There's only one thing i'm curious about now, and that was who shot me.

This is every shot I took:

Day 5: Clarkman (successful)
Day 17: Nun (successful)
Day 20: Vermilion (successful)
Day 23: Roonmastor (successful)
Day 26: Cuttooth (unsuccessful)
Day 30: DarkRula (successful)
Day 35: Pedz (successful)
Day 35: sawyerpip (unsuccessful)
Day 37: rocsteady (unsuccessful)

At least one player from every tribe.

Thanks Dan for a wonderful game.

Wait, why did we shoot Clarkman and was this common knowledge amongst PV?

Drumstick wrote:

From my perspective, we were a reasonably well-oiled machine and I salute every member of Pro-Village for their commitment.

I setup the WhatsApp group because it provided several key benefits and is more conducive to faster, easier communication. People always have their phones in their pockets or beside them and having the group allowed us to get someone's immediate attention, which was vital at times. There were a few moments which for us ended up being pivotal:

Day 26: Getting the Vigis to vote with us to put mic up when it was clear it should have been someone from P-V. We worked tirelessly that morning. This was crucial because it meant that nobody from P-V would face the weekend vote, allowing us to take our lead and player advantage into the next week.

Day 30: Somehow securing a 6-6 deadlock between Tsunade and Parksey, knowing we had a bullet to use in the dying moments before the deadline. Sorry Rula! This allowed us to not only score points for the kill, but also from that day's interrogation.

Day 33: Getting the Vigis to vote for Preezy instead of OB, meaning that OB would remain uninterrogated with a SAVE and, also, that we could probably rig the vote to ensure we lost only one player instead of two.

Day 35: Winning the contest - we needed to control how the endgame would play out, specifically to avoid Amnesty which would've seen the SAVES protecting myself, OB and Parksey wiped. It would have been open season on us due to our commanding advantage and all our hard work would've been for nothing.

OrangeRKN wrote:My biggest critique (and as a vigi you know what this is already) was powers being tied to whole team activity. As an individual playing the game it leaves you without much agency and powers were so vital to the game that being without them felt like a huge disadvantage that wasn't our fault and little could be done about.

The WhatsApp was invaluable on this front - any time it got to around 9pm and someone hadn't yet posted, we could harass/remind them immediately to do so. That's how we were able to earn so many KILLs and SAVEs.

OrangeRKN wrote:How did everyone work out it was Qikz's list that was correct? Was it quite complex to do that, or did it fall out pretty easily from knowing your own tribe membership so being able to dismiss any lists that had more than two of your own tribe guessed incorrectly? I'm not even sure how Vigis knew it was Qikz's list that was correct as it was when I died.

I can only speak for our tribe, but Cora and I traded notes to figure it out.

Vermilion wrote:There's only one thing i'm curious about now, and that was who shot me.

This is every shot I took:

Day 5: Clarkman (successful)
Day 17: Nun (successful)
Day 23: Roonmastor (successful)
Day 26: Cuttooth (unsuccessful)
Day 30: DarkRula (successful)
Day 35: Pedz (successful)
Day 35: sawyerpip (unsuccessful)
Day 37: rocsteady (unsuccessful)

At least one player from every tribe.

Thanks Dan for a wonderful game.

Why shoot poor little me?

So with the Qikz list, Red Tribe were able to discount almost every other list* based on either people who were guessed as Red Tribe, or Red Tribesmen who had been incorrectly guessed(or a combination of the two). This allowed us to guess with some accuracy almost every player in the game. Then I compared notes with Drum to see if I could guess the last 6-8 players who were unseered.

Drum actually made a slight balls up when we were looking at the lists that allowed Red Tribe to completely figure it out. By noting that he thought Mic's list might be the winning list(and apparently not realising mic was on our tribe), he made us look at that, consider who was on it, and then our suspicions were confirmed when the first correct accusation took place as four PVs voted. We were able to take that information, add it to the Qikz list, and create our blackmail tool for Cutty.

*The only other one we couldn't discount was Aaron, but I think it quickly became obvious that he'd guessed eight TYEM folks that weren't right when the second TYEM-er was killed.

Sorry for shooting at you Cora. I still would like to know how you knew it was me, did someone genuinely tell you?

Pedz wrote:Sorry for shooting at you Cora. I still would like to know how you knew it was me, did someone genuinely tell you?

Yes they did, in return for some other information I'd given them, and I'm absolutely not going to tell you who it was. I thought I'd try and gooseberry fool you up in the thread because I knew I had a protect on.

Fair enough.

Parksey wrote:Wait, why did we shoot Clarkman and was this common knowledge amongst PV?

Aaaalllll the way back on Day 5, we thought it would be important to avoid other tribes scoring off us. I believe it was actually Clarkman's idea. Considering we only won by 3pts and the other tribes could have scored 8pts off us, it may not have been the worst idea.

Parksey wrote:Wait, why did we shoot Clarkman and was this common knowledge amongst PV?

So his tribe wouldn't be revealed and it being deduced who was in PV. Way back when that mattered

We did exactly the same thing in week one, as a direct result of your tribe doing it. Mommy and Chris were both up and we had to shoot at Mommy to break our protection. Without Clarkman in horny jail there were only three players in there, so only having one death would've outed both of them. We sacrificed one to preserve points, essentially, and were right up against it from the first couple of days!

Yeah that was a good bit of early game pro-active action, indicative of the sort of next level play that separates the Pro-V master race from everyone else

GG everyone! Interested to hear feedback on how everyone thought the format worked, I've got a few points that I'll type up when I get a chance but overall for a new kind of game I thought it was great, well done Dan!

Drumstick wrote:
Day 26: Getting the Vigis to vote with us to put mic up when it was clear it should have been someone from P-V. We worked tirelessly that morning. This was crucial because it meant that nobody from P-V would face the weekend vote, allowing us to take our lead and player advantage into the next week.

I always intended to switch my vote back to Parksey on this one (I think it was him who was in the mix for PV) but got caught up in work and missed the deadline Dan rightfully called it out as a risky move at the time I did post about it in our private thread but perhaps wasn't as clear as I should have been as I think Qikz voted for mic as well, presumably after persuasion from Parksey.

I think having a more accessible chat definitely helps things in these games and we probably should have moved things to Whatsapp or Discord, although I dont think it would have necessarily helped with the problems that we had with inactivity.

Well played and congrats on the win!

For the record, here is the list of people I shot:

Considering that SuperChris was picked completely, totally and definitely at random I was pleased to see him last until Day 28 due to him being such a streak-breaker.

sawyerpip wrote:we probably should have moved things to Whatsapp or Discord, although I dont think it would have necessarily helped with the problems that we had with inactivity.

Each to their own but I definitely wouldn't want people pinging my phone over a forum game. Maybe Discord could have worked, but only if people were going to check it more often than the forum, and I don't know if that's true for everyone.

Yeah I wouldn't have joined a whatsapp group either

I think GRcade is actually the best way of contacting me online

site23 wrote:

sawyerpip wrote:we probably should have moved things to Whatsapp or Discord, although I dont think it would have necessarily helped with the problems that we had with inactivity.

Each to their own but I definitely wouldn't want people pinging my phone over a forum game. Maybe Discord could have worked, but only if people were going to check it more often than the forum, and I don't know if that's true for everyone.

Yeah, that's fair enough! I've found it useful when a wolf in previous AYAW games, but there ended up being a hell of a lot of messages being sent through the group chats in those games, to the point my wife would be getting annoyed with me constantly checking the chats when out