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Corazon de Leon wrote:

Rubix wrote:

Corazon de Leon wrote:If you want to play the game in your own way - no worries. If you want to play the game to grab the trophies/achievements - also no worries. I don't see the problem.

I think you’re missing the point.

The point is that some people are playing games the way they are not enjoying just to pop that trophy, its not a problem per se but because they have a need to collect they aren’t getting the most out of their playthrough and/or even playing games just for the trophies.

Companies aren’t stupid and have designed trophies or easy trophies to sell their games

So tell me what the point is then. The way you seem to be framing the conversation is that people who play games for achievements and trophies don’t enjoy what they’re doing, that they are mindlessly following the corporate selling tactics of big business and that this is having a negative effect on gaming.

But what I’m saying is that they are deriving enjoyment from popping the trophy. In some cases they may experience types of game they never thought they’d like (my personal anecdote about this is that I got quite in to boxing games through Fight Night 2005 despite having no interest in the sport, because I bought the game for an easy 1,000). The system has been in place now since 2005, so the cause and effect of trophy hunting/achievement gathering are well known in the industry at this point.

Who are you to judge the way that people want to play and the things that they derive enjoyment from? Equally, who are you to judge what constitutes “getting the most from a playthrough?” It might not be the same as what you like or consider to be fulfilling for everyone, but it isn’t harming anyone, and if there’s a fundamental change to happen in the way games are made because of the achievement system then you can bet that it already happened some time ago, given their age.

Rubix wrote:

Corazon de Leon wrote:

Rubix wrote:

Corazon de Leon wrote:If you want to play the game in your own way - no worries. If you want to play the game to grab the trophies/achievements - also no worries. I don't see the problem.

I think you’re missing the point.

The point is that some people are playing games the way they are not enjoying just to pop that trophy, its not a problem per se but because they have a need to collect they aren’t getting the most out of their playthrough and/or even playing games just for the trophies.

Companies aren’t stupid and have designed trophies or easy trophies to sell their games

So tell me what the point is then. The way you seem to be framing the conversation is that people who play games for achievements and trophies don’t enjoy what they’re doing, that they are mindlessly following the corporate selling tactics of big business and that this is having a negative effect on gaming.

But what I’m saying is that they are deriving enjoyment from popping the trophy. In some cases they may experience types of game they never thought they’d like (my personal anecdote about this is that I got quite in to boxing games through Fight Night 2005 despite having no interest in the sport, because I bought the game for an easy 1,000). The system has been in place now since 2005, so the cause and effect of trophy hunting/achievement gathering are well known in the industry at this point.

Who are you to judge the way that people want to play and the things that they derive enjoyment from? Equally, who are you to judge what constitutes “getting the most from a playthrough?” It might not be the same as what you like or consider to be fulfilling for everyone, but it isn’t harming anyone, and if there’s a fundamental change to happen in the way games are made because of the achievement system then you can bet that it already happened some time ago, given their age.

The question is are they ruining your gaming and the OP is my view. I think you’ll find if you read other peoples posts there is a mix of people’s responses on this. I am not in anyway saying they are bad or good.

Just because you feel strongly about something dont assume! Read my OP it says I a lot and not you! And my follow up post mentions that some people not everyone. Before you start throwing your toys out of the pram saying im judging the way people think you should have a better idea of the conversation

Rubix wrote:if you are following a path just to get trophies than you are playing someone elses ‘idea’ of the choices you make.

Parksey wrote:We get judgemental about people who get hooked on buying FIFA Ultimate Team Packs, for example, we criticise MMO-style grindy gameplay that keeps players in a feedback lump, we bemoan publishers doing yearly releases etc.

Parksey wrote:To be honest, why can't you be judgemental about achievements and trophies? You can be judgemental and criticise about absolutely everything else about the industry.

We get judgemental about people who get hooked on buying FIFA Ultimate Team Packs, for example, we criticise MMO-style grindy gameplay that keeps players in a feedback lump, we bemoan publishers doing yearly releases etc.

It's all fair game as far as I'm concerned. If people want to enjoy achievements, then that's absolutely fine too, but I think you're allowed to criticise them and say why they aren't for you.

Anyone liking them should be prepared to accept that criticism. I play Destiny, and at times that has the same slightly hollow number-chasing that can be levelled at gamerscore. And some of the stuff is going to be wasting time. I like the game, but you have to a) make peace with the criticism levelled at it and b) accept that people will criticise it.

Parksey wrote:To be honest, why can't you be judgemental about achievements and trophies? You can be judgemental and criticise about absolutely everything else about the industry.

We get judgemental about people who get hooked on buying FIFA Ultimate Team Packs, for example, we criticise MMO-style grindy gameplay that keeps players in a feedback lump, we bemoan publishers doing yearly releases etc.

It's all fair game as far as I'm concerned. If people want to enjoy achievements, then that's absolutely fine too, but I think you're allowed to criticise them and say why they aren't for you.

Anyone liking them should be prepared to accept that criticism. I play Destiny, and at times that has the same slightly hollow number-chasing that can be levelled at gamerscore. And some of the stuff is going to be wasting time. I like the game, but you have to a) make peace with the criticism levelled at it and b) accept that people will criticise it.

more heat than light wrote:No-one has ever built a game entirely around the achievement mechanic.

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Who needs gameplay when you have ACHIEVEMENTS? Don't worry about beating levels, finding ways to kill enemies, or beating the final boss... there are none. Focus solely on your ultimate destiny... doing random tasks that have nothing to do with anything. Metagame yourself with ease! Self-satisfaction never felt so... artificial!

more heat than light wrote:But 'wasting time' is something everyone does. I don't get why it aggravates so many people when I choose to do it chasing Gamerscore instead of, I dunno, watching YouTube videos or something. Just live and let live.

I should also mention I've never played Barbie Horse Adventures. That game is rare as gooseberry fool.

Trelliz wrote:Gaming. When the fun stops, stop.

Rubix wrote:I suppose the other question is, has a trophy or achievement made you really angry? And I mean an unhealthy anger

Chocolate-Milk wrote:For me, it very much depends on the gameplay when I'm trophy hunting.

Spiderman, for example, was an absolute joy to Platinum, because I so thoroughly enjoyed the travseral and moment to moment gameplay.

Yakuza 0, on the other hand, was torture. The completion list is so ridiculously vast, and some of the minigames are so tedious, I vowed never to attempt to Platinum another Yakuza game again.