UK General Election 2015

Holding demonstrations for electoral reform sure seems like the kind of thing one should do before the strawberry floating election. Were there similar protests in 97 when Labour took over 60% of the seats with 43% of the vote?

But 57% of voters didn't want a Labour government then! Democracy is broken!

You played the game, you lost, and now you're calling the game unfair. Would you be doing likewise if your party won? These people should accept defeat with a little class.

Fatal Exception wrote:

Denster wrote:Some of the drivel posted in here about lack of democracy is astonishing. Risible sentiments from malcontent little bitches.


As for the vandalism of the war memorial - they should drown themselves in the strawberry floating Thames out of shame.

Citizens of this country gave their lives so that we have a democracy. Which we do. One that we continually choose to use - it's fairness is questionable in terms of it's lack of PR but it does deliver a government that the majority have elected.

Loved all the saltiness in the last 48 hours or so from people who didn't get the results they wanted.

Beautiful.

You're happy that people gave their life for democracy, but you have contempt for those who want a fairer, more democratic system?

No just for those who bleat and moan about it. Continually. After having made their point. Continually. Knowing that it isn't going to change for good and bad reasons. Yet still posting about it. Continually.

The Daily Mail couldn't be happier with a Conservative victory. Every single issue for the past couple of weeks has just been them shouting about their hatred for Miliband. They even had a 'tactical voting guide' so you could keep 'Red Ed' out. Astounding stuff.

This picture from the protests on Saturday had me LOLing hard.



The policemen closest to the camera appear to be identical twins while the guy in the hoody and sunglasses looks like he's posing for the camera.

Rioting with sunglasses and expensive cameras indeed.

Hilarious picture!

Nice to see them all having a good laugh having acted in one of the most scumbagish ways possible.

I feel as though were that image a four second gif it would be the new Arsenalfansrampage. Such a shame we will never see it .

Denster wrote:

Fatal Exception wrote:

Denster wrote:Some of the drivel posted in here about lack of democracy is astonishing. Risible sentiments from malcontent little bitches.


As for the vandalism of the war memorial - they should drown themselves in the strawberry floating Thames out of shame.

Citizens of this country gave their lives so that we have a democracy. Which we do. One that we continually choose to use - it's fairness is questionable in terms of it's lack of PR but it does deliver a government that the majority have elected.

Loved all the saltiness in the last 48 hours or so from people who didn't get the results they wanted.

Beautiful.

You're happy that people gave their life for democracy, but you have contempt for those who want a fairer, more democratic system?

No just for those who bleat and moan about it. Continually. After having made their point. Continually. Knowing that it isn't going to change for good and bad reasons. Yet still posting about it. Continually.

So you're moaning, continually, knowing that your moaning isn't going to make a difference because there are people moaning, continually, about something they know moaning, continually, isn't going to make a difference about?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but by your attitude I'm getting that you voted Tory? A member of the medicinal professions voting Tory has less legs to stand on than The Caterpillar Man.

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I feel as though were that image a four second gif it would be the new Arsenalfansrampage. Such a shame we will never see it .

It looks like the guy has walked into the punch while the cop's arm was outstretched.

jiggles wrote:Holding demonstrations for electoral reform sure seems like the kind of thing one should do before the strawberry floating election. Were there similar protests in 97 when Labour took over 60% of the seats with 43% of the vote?

But 57% of voters didn't want a Labour government then! Democracy is broken!

You played the game, you lost, and now you're calling the game unfair. Would you be doing likewise if your party won? These people should accept defeat with a little class.

Obviously from reading on here and across the media and internet Labour supporters don't seem to have much class.

I think that is harsh, there are idiots on both sides, but don't say we are all class less. That just comes across as snobbish.

I think a lot of Labour supports are annoyed at this result because the Tories will basically to the polar opposite of what Labour fell is the "right thing to do" which makes the future seem a bleak and worrying place. Also in the run up it didn't feel like we were heading to this level of a defeat which makes it come as a hell of a surprise making the defeat so much worse.

I imagine a lot of the people currently screaming reform wouldn't be if the left had won, but had Labour won you would have still had the Green and UKIP supports shouting so it may have made no difference at all.

It is an emotional time for people, especially people who may not have huge amounts of money or work in the public sector as with the government it is highly likely that their jobs are going to be put at risk and potentially lost (as I said before I will be surprised if my job survives this government, it has already been close in the last 5 years).

My point is, who ever one these people would prbably be doing this, it isn't a matter of Labour supporters or Lefties, the point is people are strawberry floated off because they lost and in such a big way. I imagine most of the supporters out at the moment are not Labour supporters as they benefit from the FPTP system too so please dont tarnish us all with that brush, as it just comes across as arrogance.

It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

CuriousOyster wrote:Rioting with sunglasses and expensive cameras indeed.

Hilarious picture!

It's the new Glamping...


Luxurioting

Tafdolphin wrote:

Denster wrote:

Fatal Exception wrote:

Denster wrote:Some of the drivel posted in here about lack of democracy is astonishing. Risible sentiments from malcontent little bitches.


As for the vandalism of the war memorial - they should drown themselves in the strawberry floating Thames out of shame.

Citizens of this country gave their lives so that we have a democracy. Which we do. One that we continually choose to use - it's fairness is questionable in terms of it's lack of PR but it does deliver a government that the majority have elected.

Loved all the saltiness in the last 48 hours or so from people who didn't get the results they wanted.

Beautiful.

You're happy that people gave their life for democracy, but you have contempt for those who want a fairer, more democratic system?

No just for those who bleat and moan about it. Continually. After having made their point. Continually. Knowing that it isn't going to change for good and bad reasons. Yet still posting about it. Continually.

So you're moaning, continually, knowing that your moaning isn't going to make a difference because there are people moaning, continually, about something they know moaning, continually, isn't going to make a difference about?

Also correct me if I'm wrong but by your attitude I'm getting that you voted Tory? A member of the medicinal professions voting Tory has less legs to stand on than The Caterpillar Man.

There was a stat mentioned on Thursday night that I can't find a news item about, so forgive me if I'm out by a couple. There are 7 Tory MPs who were doctors, as opposed to 0 Labour MPs. Also, the 'shy Tories' are very much present in the health service. Also also, there are thousands more doctors and nurses in the NHS than in 2010, health spending went up above inflation, and the Tories have committed to spend 8 billion above inflation in this Parliament.

Lastly, the latest NHS Satisfaction Survey showed public satisfaction at record levels. My conclusion is that the rhetoric about the dangers of Tory management of the NHS (all the hyperbole about it being destroyed, etc - exactly the same crap as in the 2010 campaign) doesn't match up with the reality.

Fatal Exception wrote:It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

It had been part of their manifesto in 1997 but the report was quietly shelved as Labour have history of supporting electoral reform when out of power and then forgetting about it when the current system gives them a nice majority.

The NHS isn't just doctors and nurses though.

There are huge cuts in back office stuff like IT which will cause huge issues and stop hospitals working. Everything is IT based now a hospital can't function without it but every year the IT budget it axed bny 10 - 20 % in "efficiency" savings.

It is all well and good getting more doctors and nurses but if you don't invest in the infrastructure that makes everything work it is strawberry floated. At the moment there is a lot of best en devours with IT especially because the IT staff are NHS and have been for years so don't want to see it fail but wages are half what they are in private IT firms so people are leaving.

Also as the privatization hits one of the parts getting "externalized" is IT provisioning and private firms wont just do stuff because it is for the good of the NHS and work the extra hours and stuff we do.


The acutes are largely being left un-touched, other than some services being run by private business the "end user" wont really notice. The big changes and where it will explode is in community care and GP surgeries which is the area I am in. Now that CCG's are forced to buy services like HR, IT, Finance, BI etc. rather then do it themselves like they used to when they were PCT's it is creating a market for the services, these private business has been allowed into already but for the most part they are unusedas the CSU's are NHS organisations offering the services. The CSU's are being "self-determined" next year or year after and become private meaning the costs to the NHS for HR etc. will rocket as the CSU's that are cheaper now wont be when they have to function as actual business.

This will lead to the CCGs being under strain and effect GP and Community Care. They also wont have the money they do now for commissioning services etc. so in the end the patient suffers as they wont get the community level care they do now.

A&E's, surgery etc. wont be effected right away but in the end it will as much of the after care for a surgery patient is done in the community and that will be shot to gooseberry fool.

Fatal Exception wrote:It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

I'd hardly call vandalising war memorials and rioting in the streets 'progressive'

Lagamorph wrote:

Fatal Exception wrote:It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

I'd hardly call vandalising war memorials and rioting in the streets 'progressive'

Yes because those things are representative of people in the left.

Lagamorph wrote:

Fatal Exception wrote:It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

I'd hardly call vandalising war memorials and rioting in the streets 'progressive'

All sides agree that whoever did that is a fucktard of the highest order. 99.9999% of the protesters managed not to vandalise war memorials.

Fatal Exception wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Fatal Exception wrote:It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

I'd hardly call vandalising war memorials and rioting in the streets 'progressive'

All sides agree that whoever did that is a fucktard of the highest order. 99.9999% of the protesters managed not to vandalise war memorials.

Just riot in the streets and injure multiple police officers who were trying to keep the peace then.

Moggy wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:

Fatal Exception wrote:It's almost as if the left is progressive and the right want things to remain as they are or go back to how things were in the past

*edit*
Turns out Labour were reluctantly looking at electoral reform back in 1998 according to this retro BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/183879.stm

I'd hardly call vandalising war memorials and rioting in the streets 'progressive'

Yes because those things are representative of people in the left.

It is if we use the same logic that the left have been using to describe the right lately (Tory voters should be ashamed, if you voted Tory you hate the disabled, etc).