UK General Election 2015

I've seen little to no evidence either from the current government or the previous administration (Labour I mean) that they seek to increase my human rights. The re-introduction of the snoopers charter and the recent expose on the actions of the security services suggest that our rights will be curtailed as opposed to be protected (it'll obviously be argued that we live in dangerous times etc. etc).

I also find Gove particularly onerous. His recent handling of the education system seemed like a one man crusade as opposed to actually trying to work with the system to improve matters. The only positive in him becoming Justice Secretary is that it isn't Grayling who has shown to be incompetent on a massive scale with his handling of the prison service, it literally isn't fit for purpose at this point.

Tafdolphin, to not know the reasons people voted Conservative you must have either been hiding under a rock these last few months or you're just being obtuse.

They've already been debated to the nth degree. You may not personally agree with those reasons, but it's widely known what the arguments are.

Lagamorph wrote:But if player salaries come down, ticket prices can come down.

Ticket prices contribute a relatively small percentage to player salaries, especially at the top level.

Tafdolphin wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Hime wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:So, literally no one's going to answer my question? Eight countered my tax assertion, or tried (see Skarjo's reply at the top of this page) but it seems not a single Tory voter here can, or will, tell me why they voted for the right except "Labour are gooseberry fool.

Why do you not consider that a good enough answer? I've seen how Labour ran the country and how the Conservatives ran the country and picked the one I preferred.

Because it's not an answer to the question I'm asking. I'm not asking why you didn't vote Labour, I'm asking what made you decide to vote Tory as opposed to UKIP, or the Lib Dems or the Greens...

To be fair all parties had there fair share of shitty policies. Doesn't Labour support the snoopers charter and TTIP.

Oh absolutely. I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just can't get anyone to explain why they specifically voted Tory.

A brief summary for me was that the last labour government did a terrible job with the economy , overspending, blindly going into a war and that's just some things . Additionally over the last 5 years labour in no certain way proved to me that they had a clue what they were doing, Miliband did not fill me with any confidence that labour had a plan and he could lead and didn't do enough to persuade me . As for the Conservatives i actually think the coalition government has done a good job with the poisoned chalice they were passed when they got in to power and as sad as it seems cuts and at least some better economic stability was needed. Obviously though nobody likes cuts and everyone likes money thrown at them as that makes everyone happy but i actually give the tories and lib dems some respect as they have had to make tough decisions rather than cover up the cracks (by the way my wife works for the county council and has seen the impact in cuts/restructuring but still realised things needed to be done). Previous to this in the last elections i voted Lib Dem as i liked their policies and their thoughts but it was very close to voting for Conservatives back then. This time around i felt Cameron had done a good job and i wasn't quite sure what message was really coming from the Lib Dems although i like Nick Clegg and felt he did the best he could do as well.

Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

ProPoser wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:But if player salaries come down, ticket prices can come down.

Ticket prices contribute a relatively small percentage to player salaries, especially at the top level.

I think that what would be a tiny part of the money from TV deals and sponsorship should subsidise much reduced ticket prices, given that gate receipts make up nowhere near the percentage of the Premier League clubs' revenue that they used to. Man Utd could price all seats at £15 and it would barely make a dent. They could still have their corporate boxes and suchlike, but people who can't afford to go to football regularly then could (probably by going on Ticketmaster at 9am every Monday and hammering F5 relentlessly, as matches would then be ridiculously oversubscribed!). It seems to me that football is happy to go with whatever the market can bear, rather than catering to traditional fans. I would love to take my little boy to a match when he's old enough, but I could never do it regularly. Those who buy season tickets these days have more money than sense - or not, given that many of them are traditional football fans who put going to games ahead of affording anything other than basic bills!

degoose wrote:
Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

There are pricks on every side of the political divide. Just holding people up as "that Labour lot" and lumping everyone on the left together as "aggressive and pathetic" is just as bad as the stupid comments from Labour supporters that you are referring to. It's just a way of dehumanising those you disagree with into a faceless lump while ignoring that there are just as many differences of opinion amongst left wingers as there are between the left and right.

Moggy wrote:

degoose wrote:
Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

There are pricks on every side of the political divide. Just holding people up as "that Labour lot" and lumping everyone on the left together as "aggressive and pathetic" is just as bad as the stupid comments from Labour supporters that you are referring to. It's just a way of dehumanising those you disagree with into a faceless lump while ignoring that there are just as many differences of opinion amongst left wingers as there are between the left and right.

I agree that there are pricks on both sides of the debate, but there are far more on the left trying to shut down arguments and insult their opponents than on the right, in my opinion. Sorry, Moggy! I know you don't agree, but it almost seems to be a 'moderate' Labour view on social media to belittle any Conservative supporters in terms that cross the line between debate and insults. No wonder there are so many shy Tories!

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

degoose wrote:
Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

There are pricks on every side of the political divide. Just holding people up as "that Labour lot" and lumping everyone on the left together as "aggressive and pathetic" is just as bad as the stupid comments from Labour supporters that you are referring to. It's just a way of dehumanising those you disagree with into a faceless lump while ignoring that there are just as many differences of opinion amongst left wingers as there are between the left and right.

I agree that there are pricks on both sides of the debate, but there are far more on the left trying to shut down arguments and insult their opponents than on the right, in my opinion. Sorry, Moggy! I know you don't agree.

At the moment there may well be as the left just lost the election. It would be strange indeed for the winners to be running around shouting and screaming about unfairness.

On the whole there is just as much venom and bile from the right towards the left as there is from the left towards the right. You might not see it but that may well be because you are a supporter of the right and it's very easy to ignore things that come from sources that you agree with.

@ Eighty, re the football...

Yeah, that's true. Like you said, the over-subscription is the obvious problem. The other one would be that if tickets were cheaper, then people would buy them to re-sell and, in most cases, they'd end up being bought for the same amount anyway.

Large capacity safe standing areas might be the answer, but that's a long way off.


Just out of interest, and I realise kids want to see the big games, but is there a 'smaller' team near you that you could go to? I went to see St Mirren play in two pre-season friendlies near me - Blyth and Whitley Bay - and it was fantastic. It felt like proper football.


Massive derailment of the GE thread, mind. Sorry.

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

degoose wrote:
Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

There are pricks on every side of the political divide. Just holding people up as "that Labour lot" and lumping everyone on the left together as "aggressive and pathetic" is just as bad as the stupid comments from Labour supporters that you are referring to. It's just a way of dehumanising those you disagree with into a faceless lump while ignoring that there are just as many differences of opinion amongst left wingers as there are between the left and right.

I agree that there are pricks on both sides of the debate, but there are far more on the left trying to shut down arguments and insult their opponents than on the right, in my opinion. Sorry, Moggy! I know you don't agree.

Yep this is from what i could see as Eighthours said. Prior to the voting and after i have seen a far more aggressive stance from Labour supporters and any differing opinion is shot down very quickly. I didn't see anything like this from lib dems or the green party.I am just merely stating what i have seen.

ProPoser wrote:Just out of interest, and I realise kids want to see the big games, but is there a 'smaller' team near you that you could go to? I went to see St Mirren play in two pre-season friendlies near me - Blyth and Whitley Bay - and it was fantastic. It felt like proper football.

I'll take a look at Bristol City's regular prices for home games next season when they're announced (only season tickets have been announced so far), as they will be in the Championship. I don't have a Prem club near me, unfortunately. Hey, by the time my little boy is old enough to go, hopefully it'll be Bristol City!

ProPoser wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:But if player salaries come down, ticket prices can come down.

Ticket prices contribute a relatively small percentage to player salaries, especially at the top level.

I think largermorph works for sky who are probably one of the main reasons football is mad money lol

degoose wrote:
Yep this is from what i could see as Eighthours said. Prior to the voting and after i have seen a far more aggressive stance from Labour supporters and any differing opinion is shot down very quickly. I didn't see anything like this from lib dems or the green party.I am just merely stating what i have seen.

I think you are seeing an aggressive stance from Labour as you are not a supporter of Labour. There is just as much right wing bile from the right, using a Google search of "Labour banana split" brings up plenty of examples (and that's without touching Eighthours favourite Twitter).

Labour MP for Rotherham Sarah Champion deserves a royal banana spliting for charging the tax payer £17 for a wreath last rememberence day.How long can you sink?Well I said Labour and Rotherham so I suppose I answered my own question.
It is funny how Labour hark on about tax dodging and the effect it has on public services when they are leaning their pockets with taxpayers money.Hypocrital banana splits the lot of them. Maybe she got given her candidacy from her predecessor Denis McShane another Labour banana split who admitted that as a guardian reader he would feel uneasy speaking up about the Asian Rotherham peado gangs preying on vulnerable girls and was also imprisoned for expenses fiddling.

Notice how not one of the banana splits who claims to make an “error” in their statements ever notices it until they have got caught? Anyway Sarah Champion is an expenses cheating banana split who is the first one to directly insult millions of dead soldiers as well as the taxpower.

Stupid champagne socialist grey streaked haired banana split!

http://is-a-cunt.com/category/labour/

Ed Miliband is a stupid hand gesturing, socialist tripe peddling, question dodging, nasally-voiced strawberry floating bastard of a banana split. He needs his adenoids removing…
Is he a banana split?…”Hell yes!”

http://is-a-cunt.com/category/labour/

THE LABOUR PARTY IS FULL OF MILLIONAIRE banana splits AND THEIR ARSELICKERS.

https://incubusblog.wordpress.com/2013/ ... selickers/

There are so many idiots out there, they are not exclusive to one side of the political divide.

Moggy wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

degoose wrote:
Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

There are pricks on every side of the political divide. Just holding people up as "that Labour lot" and lumping everyone on the left together as "aggressive and pathetic" is just as bad as the stupid comments from Labour supporters that you are referring to. It's just a way of dehumanising those you disagree with into a faceless lump while ignoring that there are just as many differences of opinion amongst left wingers as there are between the left and right.

I agree that there are pricks on both sides of the debate, but there are far more on the left trying to shut down arguments and insult their opponents than on the right, in my opinion. Sorry, Moggy! I know you don't agree.

At the moment there may well be as the left just lost the election. It would be strange indeed for the winners to be running around shouting and screaming about unfairness.

On the whole there is just as much venom and bile from the right towards the left as there is from the left towards the right. You might not see it but that may well be because you are a supporter of the right and it's very easy to ignore things that come from sources that you agree with.

I don't want us to derail the thread with this, but I don't agree. I do, however, agree with this article from last year. Sums up the problem for Labour pretty nicely:

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... nsult-them

Surely the left's beef should be with the people who don't/didn't vote. It's not Conservative fault that the majority of the people that did vote were voting for them however narrow the margins were. Instead of rioting and calling people names, Labour supporters should explain why the non-voting public should be voting as well.

I don't blame people for being put off politics. It's not nice and not clever by any stretch of the imagination.

I haven't seen turnout stats yet - do we know what the non-voter figures were?

Edit: 66%, apparently. Highest since 1997.

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

Moggy wrote:

degoose wrote:
Now i'm sure i'll get lots of nasty little responses and you labour lot wanting a nice little argument because they aren't in power but i really don't care, i have my opinions and i let others have theirs because that's just a decent thing to do.

Actually as a final thing though i'd like to point out i've never been that political but in the last year i've gotten a bit more involved and i kind of wish i hadn't as the shitty attitude of Labour supporters crossed with the SNP during the referendum and recently has been beyond disgusting , aggressive and pathetic.In fact when there is sometimes a low turn out for voting by people maybe just maybe the hassle,media crap and attitude of some activists put others off, just a thought.

There are pricks on every side of the political divide. Just holding people up as "that Labour lot" and lumping everyone on the left together as "aggressive and pathetic" is just as bad as the stupid comments from Labour supporters that you are referring to. It's just a way of dehumanising those you disagree with into a faceless lump while ignoring that there are just as many differences of opinion amongst left wingers as there are between the left and right.

I agree that there are pricks on both sides of the debate, but there are far more on the left trying to shut down arguments and insult their opponents than on the right, in my opinion. Sorry, Moggy! I know you don't agree.

At the moment there may well be as the left just lost the election. It would be strange indeed for the winners to be running around shouting and screaming about unfairness.

On the whole there is just as much venom and bile from the right towards the left as there is from the left towards the right. You might not see it but that may well be because you are a supporter of the right and it's very easy to ignore things that come from sources that you agree with.

I don't want us to derail the thread with this, but I don't agree. I do, however, agree with this article from last year. Sums up the problem for Labour pretty nicely:

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analy ... nsult-them

I know you don't agree, I just think you are oblivious to the idiots on your chosen side. You will get no disagreement from me that Labour insult Tories, but you have to be blind not to see that Tories also insult Labour.

Have UKIP said anything about fairness? I've been thinking about this and while they didn't win much they got what they really wanted. They got the EU referendum and the removal of the human rights act. They really got the tories to capitulate with their desires.

Replying to Taf...

The reasons I voted Tory Scum are like most people, I don't think a Labour led government would be able to keep us out of another recession, and being a home owner now that's something that scares the gooseberry fool out of me. I'm one of them sorts that think, while cuts to services is gooseberry fool, they need to be done to keep us in the black.
On the subject of the NHS, I think making cuts forces an organisation to become ultra lean in its operation. Are people around the UK going to get a shitty experience out of cuts along the line? Yes, guaranteed. What's that saying? You have to break a couple of eggs to make an omelette?
I kinda feel like we're living in the future now. I can't help but think that these progression and how easily accessible technology it is to most people, and organisations, it will pick up the slack for us.

Another reason is, I like David Cameron. I believe his intentions are honest and he wants to build a better future for the country, like Milliband and most party leaders. But, I don't for one minute believe Miliband would command anywhere near enough respect on an international stage.

Now, I'll wait to be crucified by you lot.

massimo wrote:Replying to Taf...

The reasons I voted Tory Scum are like most people, I don't think a Labour led government would be able to keep us out of another recession, and being a home owner now that's something that scares the gooseberry fool out of me. I'm one of them sorts that think, while cuts to services is gooseberry fool, they need to be done to keep us in the black.
On the subject of the NHS, I think making cuts forces an organisation to become ultra lean in its operation. Are people around the UK going to get a shitty experience out of cuts along the line? Yes, guaranteed. What's that saying? You have to break a couple of eggs to make an omelette?
I kinda feel like we're living in the future now. I can't help but think that these progression and how easily accessible technology it is to most people, and organisations, it will pick up the slack for us.

Another reason is, I like David Cameron. I believe his intentions are honest and he wants to build a better future for the country, like Milliband and most party leaders. But, I don't for one minute believe Miliband would command anywhere near enough respect on an international stage.

Now, I'll wait to be crucified by you lot.

You made a massive mistake voting Tory. According to Cal the left wing and Labour are massive Apple supporters. Now you risk the Tories banning the Apple watch.