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by Lex-Man » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:46 pm

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lex-man wrote:The problem is the NRA gets funding via gun sales in the USA so it's difficult for any anti-gun lobby to get the same kind of funding as the NRA. You can't sell anti-guns.

Basically any gun you buy will come with life time NRA membership. So even if people don't agree with the NRA and want a gun they are forced to fund them if they buy a gun.


I didn't know this, it sounds mad. So they essentially have a monopoly on gun sales? Is there a law that prevents people from selling guns without giving money to the NRA? How is that legal - isn't that essentially a tax that goes to a private group?


I don't think you could legislate against it because it's the gun manufacturers choice to use their profits to fund the NRA. Although I'm not sure how successful lobbying gun companies to stop funding the NRA.

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PostRe: US Politics
by OrangeRKN » Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:54 pm

Ah okay, so it's the manufacturers who give money to the NRA and forcibly pass that cost on to the consumer.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:01 pm

Apologies if I missed this, but it seems that one of the victims of the California shooting was a survivor of the Vegas shooting last year. :dread:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46150847

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by KK » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:07 pm

Cheeky Devlin wrote:Apologies if I missed this, but it seems that one of the victims of the California shooting was a survivor of the Vegas shooting last year. :dread:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46150847

I dread to think what the lottery-esque odds of that are.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:10 pm

KK wrote:
Cheeky Devlin wrote:Apologies if I missed this, but it seems that one of the victims of the California shooting was a survivor of the Vegas shooting last year. :dread:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46150847

I dread to think what the lottery-esque odds of that are.

I'm sure there's an inappropriate joke in there about "winning" in Vegas but I'll let someone else find it. :shifty:

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by Jenuall » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:12 pm

KK wrote:
Cheeky Devlin wrote:Apologies if I missed this, but it seems that one of the victims of the California shooting was a survivor of the Vegas shooting last year. :dread:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46150847

I dread to think what the lottery-esque odds of that are.

Not long enough for this person sadly. :(

When you start getting into the territory where people are finding themselves caught up in multiple incidents then it becomes harder to bat things away with comments like: "but the chances of it happening to you are so low, most people feel safe all the time and never experience anything bad like this!"

Yes the odds of being involved in a shooting are still low, but the problem is getting worse not better.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Preezy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:12 pm

Is this an "I was in Vegas during the shooting" survivor, or an "I was in the crowd getting peppered with machine gun rounds" survivor?

Not that it matters, I guess, just curious.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Hexx » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:14 pm

It's something like 1 in 20,000 chance in the US of being involved in a shooting.

That's quite low odds for a lot of gamblers

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:16 pm

Preezy wrote:Is this an "I was in Vegas during the shooting" survivor, or an "I was in the crowd getting peppered with machine gun rounds" survivor?

Not that it matters, I guess, just curious.

It's not explicit to be honest. Though this part of the article, talking about the California incident was just :shock:

"Survivors of the Las Vegas shooting say they have used the bar as a place to meet-up in recent months.

One survivor, Nicholas Champion, said a group of them were at the venue on Wednesday.

"It's the second time in about a year and a month that this has happened," he said in a local television interview. "It's a big thing for us. We're all a big family and unfortunately this family got hit twice."

"Borderline was our safe space," Brendan Kelly, who survived both attacks, told ABC News. "It was our our home for the probably 30 or 45 of us who are all from the greater Ventura County area who were in Vegas.""

Man that's some heavy gooseberry fool to deal with.

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PostRe: US Politics
by KK » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 pm

I look at Neighborhoodscout.com from time to time, and some of the statistics it throws up often leaves me thinking 'that can't possibly be right, surely?'

For example, Myrtle beach, a regular tourist hotspot in Carolina...

With a population of 32,240, one's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 7. Crime rate: 153.04 (per 1,000 residents).

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PostRe: US Politics
by Moggy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:23 pm

Mass shootings are relatively common, the odds are probably not that high.

This guy was at both of the nuclear bombings of Japan: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Yamaguchi . That’s really lucky/unlucky.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:13 pm

Quantum Name wrote:
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twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1060676628097961986



:shock: :shock: :shock:

Mueller must indeed be ending his investigation if he's targeting the first family.


At least we now why Sessions was fired.

This isn't really happening is it?


We can only hope it will.

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by KK » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:21 pm

I just watched another of Trump's impromptu press conferences prior to taking off for Paris this weekend. He castigated a reporter for asking him about the doctored video on social media ('it wasn't doctored, it was just zoomed in') and then belittered a female reporter for daring to ask about Mueller ('What a stupid question. I've watched a lot of you and you ask a lot of stupid questions'). He also went off on Michelle Obama's new book.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Moggy » Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:22 pm

Meanwhile....

twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1060751333723013123


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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:52 pm

Haven't heard a whisper about it on Fox, either. :lol:

strawberry floating scaremongering.

(CNN) There is a growing sense of concern inside the White House over the negative reaction to Matthew Whitaker being tapped as acting attorney general after Jeff Sessions' abrupt firing.

Whitaker, who was Sessions' chief of staff, has faced criticism since Wednesday afternoon's announcement for his previous comments on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

Several senior officials told CNN they were surprised by the criticism, and believe it could potentially jeopardize Whitaker's chances of remaining in the post if it continues to dominate headlines.

Whitaker is expected to take over oversight of Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether Trump campaign associates colluded with Russia. He has given no indication he believes he needs to step aside from overseeing the probe, according to one person familiar with his thinking, a belief echoed by White House officials. And a source close to the President told CNN that the idea of Whitaker ending or suppressing the Russia probe is not an option as of now.

But Whitaker has previously expressed deep skepticism about the probe, including arguing in a 2017 CNN op-ed that Mueller was "dangerously close to crossing" a red line following reports that the special counsel was looking into Trump's finances and calling Mueller's appointment "ridiculous" and "a little fishy" in a 2017 appearance on the "Rose Unplugged" radio program.

Whitaker also spoke about the investigation in numerous other radio and television appearances, including CNN, where he was a legal commentator.

It was not widely known among White House staff that he'd commented repeatedly on the special counsel's investigation in interviews and on television -- which is ironic given that this is what drew President Donald Trump to him and raises continued questions over the depth of the administration's vetting process.

Sam Clovis, a 2016 Trump campaign national chairman who has close ties to Whitaker, encouraged him to get a regular commentary gig on cable television to get Trump's attention, according to friends Whitaker told at the time. Whitaker was hired as a CNN legal commentator last year for several months before leaving the role in September 2017 to head to the Justice Department.

Along with the breadth of his previous comments on the investigation, there have been questions about the legality of Whitaker's appointment.

George Conway, the husband of White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, co-authored a New York Times op-ed published Thursday that called the appointment "unconstitutional."

The Appointments Clause of the Constitution, Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, Conway wrote, "means Mr. Trump's installation of Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general of the United States after forcing the resignation of Jeff Sessions is unconstitutional. It's illegal. And it means that anything Mr. Whitaker does, or tries to do, in that position is invalid."

Whitaker's standing ultimately depends on the President. But continued negative coverage will get Trump's attention.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics ... index.html

Of course, why wouldn't you be surprised to learn that the man the President has tapped for the Acting AG role had been shitting on the Mueller investigation on TV for months? :fp:

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PostRe: US Politics
by Hexx » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:34 pm

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PostRe: US Politics
by Peter Crisp » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:04 am

Whose signatures?
It's really odd to see a leader who immediately assumes corruption at the first hint of a problem rather than calmly calling for an investigation into a possible problem.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Garth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:15 am

The GOP settled before the judge sat - continued checks on Arizona mail in ballots are legal, and other areas in the state are allowed to do the same checks until the 14th:
Settlement reached in Arizona Senate vote count

Arizona Republicans and Democrats have agreed to give rural voters an extra chance to fix problems with their ballots in the count of the state’s tight Senate race.

That’s a compromise after Republicans filed a lawsuit seeking to stop urban voters from using those procedures. The settlement was announced in a Phoenix courtroom Friday afternoon.

The counties have until Nov. 14 to address the issue.

The Republican lawsuit alleged that the state’s county recorders don’t follow a uniform standard for allowing voters to address problems with their mail-in ballots, and that Maricopa and Pima counties improperly allow the fixes for up to five days after Election Day.

Democrat Kyrsten Sinema has jumped into a slight lead over Republican Martha McSally in the midst of the slow vote count.​

https://apnews.com/41a1a6f79af548ddbdee ... _medium=AP

Democrat lead has increased to 21K:

twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1061047090489503745


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by Garth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:22 am

Peter Crisp wrote:Whose signatures?
It's really odd to see a leader who immediately assumes corruption at the first hint of a problem rather than calmly calling for an investigation into a possible problem.

WHY DOES ARIZONA TAKE SO LONG?

Blame the fact that Arizonans like to vote early, by mail. That sounds like a contradiction, but a mailed-in ballot requires more work for Arizona elections officials.

That’s because state law requires the envelope to be sealed and signed, and for elections officials to match each signature to the one on file with the voter’s registration before even opening the envelope. In this election, that’s about 1.7 million individual signatures that had to be confirmed, one-by-one. A total of about 2.3 million votes were cast in Arizona.

The problem comes in the final days when the ballots flood election offices. Voters can also drop off sealed mail ballots on Election Day, adding to the pile. Those ballots can’t be counted that day because the elections office is busy setting up and administering in-person voting.

The state’s Republican secretary of state, Michelle Reagan, added another reason: election security. To ensure against voter fraud, mail ballots dropped off Election Day - which totaled 320,000 - are double-checked with votes cast at the polls to confirm no one voted twice.

“Arizona takes elections seriously - from the poll workers to the county elections officials, and the Secretary of State’s office,” Reagan said in a statement Friday. “Everybody is working diligently to tabulate all of the election results in a manner that Arizonans can be proud of and, most importantly, trust the results.”

It normally takes more than a week to count all the ballots in Arizona. The recorder in the state’s biggest county - Maricopa, where 60 percent of votes are cast - Adrian Fontes, expects the counting to be done by Nov. 15.

Fontes added that another bottleneck in his office is the computer system. It dates from the 1980s and is designed for a less populated county that rarely voted by mail. So it can only process up to 75,000 ballots a day. Maricopa has about 350,000 ballots that have yet to be tallied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... faf455d080

Trump is being a banana split as usual.

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PostRe: US Politics
by Garth » Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:31 am

Florida still looking like it may be heading for a recount:
Scott and Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson are now separated by just .18 percent of the votes cast. If that margin holds, the race would end up in a manual recount under Florida law.

twitter.com/dabeard/status/1060989489739259904


Once the dust settles Democrats could end up doing better in the Senate than was originally thought, giving them more of a chance of winning back control of the Senate in 2020...


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