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by Moggy » Wed May 15, 2019 7:45 am

Alabama lawmakers have passed a bill to outlaw abortion outright in the state, set to be the strictest such US law.

The state Senate approved the law by 25 votes to six, rejecting exemptions for cases of rape or incest.

It will now go to Republican Governor Kay Ivey. She has not said whether she will sign it, but she is seen as a strong opponent of abortion.

Activists hope it will challenge a landmark 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalised abortion in the US.

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Under the Alabama measure, provision of abortion at any stage in pregnancy would be a class A felony.

Doctors could face 10 years in prison for attempting to terminate a pregnancy and 99 years for actually carrying out the procedure.

A woman who has an abortion would not be held criminally liable.

The bill would allow abortion in cases where the mother's life is at serious risk.

Its text says more foetuses have been aborted than people killed in "Stalin's gulags, Cambodian killing fields".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48275795


Alabama. :dread:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by KK » Wed May 15, 2019 8:39 am

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by Tafdolphin » Wed May 15, 2019 8:40 am

It's straight up disgusting. Factoid: none of that applies to IVF fetuses so it's literally just a law against woman.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Dual » Wed May 15, 2019 9:04 am

The Handsmaid Tale was a warning not a handbook.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Preezy » Wed May 15, 2019 9:14 am

Hey, if Jesus says it's not ok, then it's not ok, ok?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Rex Kramer » Wed May 15, 2019 9:19 am

Unsurprisingly they rejected the chance of abortion in cases of incest otherwise it would have caused a 60% drop in the birth rate in the state.

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by Karl_ » Wed May 15, 2019 9:34 am

It's so bizarre and frightening to see a western country go so far backwards on what should be a core civil liberty.

We've been having this dumb debate on-and-off for thousands of years since it was first settled by the Greeks ("early foetuses are more like a plant than a person" - literally Aristotle) and then dredged up again by the Romans ("but the father owns that foetus, it's a violation of his property rights!!!" - Roman chuds and, deep down, every conservative in every era since).

It feels like we will never fully move past it. So depressing.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Wed May 15, 2019 10:32 am



It’s a good job Alabama has stuck with old white men.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Preezy » Wed May 15, 2019 10:36 am

The link is that they're all wearing ties. The pro-tie lobby in the US is so powerful, find me a photo of a male US politician not wearing a tie whilst at work, it's impossible! They're integrated into every level of the US political system. Even more insidious than the Stonecutters.

Down with ties! Ties equals lies and lies equals ties.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed May 15, 2019 11:14 am

They know that the law will be challenged in the courts. That's why they're doing it - they want this to get to the Supreme Court, and lead to Roe bring overturned.

Project Blitz, the American Christian right's actual plan to turn America into a tyrannical theocracy strongly resembling the Republic of Gilead from Handmaid's Tale, is well underway.

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by jawafour » Wed May 15, 2019 2:05 pm

Moggy wrote:
Alabama lawmakers have passed a bill to outlaw abortion outright in the state, set to be the strictest such US law.

The state Senate approved the law by 25 votes to six, rejecting exemptions for cases of rape or incest.
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I struggle to understand that people could sit down, hold a discussion, and then decide that women who have been raped have to complete the pregnancy.

Can't really add anything else; it's just too awful.

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by Alvin Flummux » Wed May 15, 2019 2:15 pm

jawafour wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Alabama lawmakers have passed a bill to outlaw abortion outright in the state, set to be the strictest such US law.

The state Senate approved the law by 25 votes to six, rejecting exemptions for cases of rape or incest.
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I struggle to understand that people could sit down, hold a discussion, and then decide that women who have been raped have to complete the pregnancy.


They don't see women as humans, they see them as baby factories and maids without rights.

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by Moggy » Wed May 15, 2019 2:15 pm

I kind of get it on a purely emotional level. I don’t want to use the “parents would understand” bullshit, but as a parent ( ;) ) it is so exciting and wonderful when you find out that you are going to be a parent. We found out really early on (my wife was pissing on sticks almost every day :lol: ) both times she became pregnant and you absolutely consider it a baby from the start. When the first pregnancy turned out to be ectopic it was one of the worst days of my life and I still find myself wondering what that kid would have been like.

But having said that, I am rational enough to realise that a foetus is not a baby. I am empathetic enough to realise that just because we wanted to be parents doesn’t mean everybody does. And I am not a strawberry floating monster that thinks women should be forced to carry the child of their rapist – especially if that rapist was their own strawberry floating father or brother.

I guarantee one thing, if men could get pregnant then abortion would never have been a controversial subject and it certainly wouldn’t have ever been illegal.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Lex-Man » Wed May 15, 2019 2:16 pm

Preezy wrote:Hey, if Jesus says it's not ok, then it's not ok, ok?


There is an actual section in the bible that explains how to have an abortion.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Wed May 15, 2019 3:25 pm



strawberry floating hell :dread:

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Lex-Man » Wed May 15, 2019 3:27 pm

Moggy wrote:

strawberry floating hell :dread:


That's the state not the country I take it.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Moggy » Wed May 15, 2019 3:39 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:

strawberry floating hell :dread:


That's the state not the country I take it.


Yes that is the Georgia state law.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Photek » Wed May 15, 2019 3:46 pm

Preezy wrote:Hey, if Jesus says it's not ok, then it's not ok, ok?

Technically Jesus didn't actually say anything about Abortion.

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed May 15, 2019 5:50 pm

Why do religious people love people so desperately, until they are actually born, at which point they make furious efforts against both their human rights and their humanity itself?

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PostRe: US Politics 2
by KK » Wed May 15, 2019 11:21 pm

Governor of Alabama has signed it into law within the last half hour.

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